Serious Concern, Need Help; MCH not welcome to Alexander

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I'm not welcoming them anywhere if they don't stop using that knock back ability.

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that is a dps loss to not use Blank in boss fight and The Vault where all the mobs cannot be knock back

I'll be a Machinist most likely this whole expansion. It JUST came out. I'm sure there will be tweaks that will get done.

I'm sure this is gonna get me flamed, but I don't join any Bis ex groups that have MCH in, because all the ones I've seen have been so underwhelming. Please buff them, SE, so I don't have to avoid them like the plague. It's not their fault their class sucks... probably.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Why does firing a blank do damage anyway

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Obviously you've never seen damage a blank can do. I have witnessed blanks creating 3 inch diameter holes in targets and heard of actors being killed by blanks they thought were harmless.

The biggest problem with MCH, as well as with DRK and AST, is the vast majority of people who play the job are BAD (many DRK and AST I've played with admit this is their first tank/heal job, so...). I cringe when I get a DRK, AST or MCH in the DF, not because their job is bad but because the players are. While I don't know any good DRK yet (I main WAR, so I don't play with a ton of other tanks in the first place) I do know some good AST and MCH and enjoy playing with them.

Yes, MCH and BRD need a slight buff to them, mostly QoL buffs, but they don't need a buff like what they want. Mobility comes at a cost, and I have seen BRD do top or almost top DPS in Bis EX, and many I've run with are at the middle in Rav EX (haven't run with MCH in the EXs yet, but know they do similar damage as BRD).

MCH (and AST and DRK) have a bad rap mostly because the job is new and the people who play them are bad.

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Originally Posted by Derio

One time I got 2 Machinists in my DR and it was the most painful, longest dungeon run ever. The burn was so bad I asked the WM to stay in cleric stance most of the time.

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As someone leveling a MCH ... I dread being grouped up with another MCH

Good luck getting SE to buff you.

Parsers are against the ToS. They won't know how low they are compared to the others.

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Originally Posted by RamzaRuglia

I agree though there is a lot of "bad" players out there too, but people seem to be focusing on BRD/MCH being the weak link. I've had no problems keeping up with DPS as BRD thus far, and MCH (again, relatively). However, people assume it is BRD/MCH when they fail a DPS check, and not blaming the melee hitting wrong mob with debuff in BisEx for example. We're just the easy scapegoat, especially since BRD at least has been officially acknowledged as under performing.

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Just from watching aggro bars as a tank (and NEVER seeing Quelling used), my experience is its almost always the MCH/BRD/BLM not pulling their weight. Most bad BRD I see just don't keep up their DoTs (which confuses me) or use songs that aren't needed (healer at full MP? Better use Ballad) and while I don't know the MCH debuffs yet, I see a lot of MCH promoting their turrets at random...which is a pretty decent DPS loss in-and-of-itself. I'm not actually sure why most BLM I get in DF are bad...they just are and its absolutely baffling me.
That being said, I do know when a melee or SMN isn't pulling their weight because I know their rotations and what they should be doing, and I have seen some BAD melee and SMN (like this one SMN who barely kept DoTs up and never Baned groups...why???)

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Originally Posted by myahele

As someone leveling a MCH ... I dread being grouped up with another MCH

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I just got my MCH to level 59 today and my longest runs have been with another machinist hands down.
I do everything I can and have 5 HUGE macros in my kit to make it more consistent/easier to pump out damage confidently... and even then I am outdamaged by a bloody dragoon using a level 110 spear spamming his first rotation without doing anything else. OH AND I KNOW THAT ROTIATION CAUSE I LEVELED DRAGOON TO 34 JUST FOR BLOOD FOR BLOOD! I KNOW WHAT I SAW! He did MORE damage than me.

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Originally Posted by IfritReborn

I'm getting tired of this. I fail to see how Alexander will be any different. I see PF groups like this ALL THE TIME! The answer is not and should not be "Get friends."

http://i.imgur.com/5kvKA91.jpg?1

I didn't level this class to be omitted from 40% of the PF groups! I didn't level this class to be ridiculed and made fun of upon even entering a group! I didn't level this class to be kicked from content just for being a MCH! Fix this damn class!

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This is how it is. I've been seeing this for over a week solid of EXCLUSIVE party finder group DPS excluding BRD/MCH.

I am so glad you got this screenie, I should take one next time I log on... it is real and it is RAMPANT.

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

I just got my MCH to level 59 today and my longest runs have been with another machinist hands down.
I do everything I can and have 5 HUGE macros in my kit to make it more consistent/easier to pump out damage confidently... and even then I am outdamaged by a bloody dragoon using a level 110 spear spamming his first rotation without doing anything else. OH AND I KNOW THAT ROTIATION CAUSE I LEVELED DRAGOON TO 34 JUST FOR BLOOD FOR BLOOD! I KNOW WHAT I SAW! He did MORE damage than me.




This is how it is. I've been seeing this for over a week solid of EXCLUSIVE party finder group DPS excluding BRD/MCH.

I am so glad you got this screenie, I should take one next time I log on... it is real and it is RAMPANT.

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Yea that's becasue people are stupid BRD/MCH can do them just Fine hell i've had groups where there was both a BRD and MCH yes they need buffs but those PF groups are just *insert expletive here*.