Yes they are about entertainment and that is doing the dungeons and gearing your character. I don't care about the lore of a dungeon or a boss I just want my loot or exp from it. That's how most mmo players are but of course there are those who do enjoy the lore so they have both elements to please everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
My biggest thing I want changed is the having to unlock everything by clearing the others first it's a real big speedbump to trying to get the higher ilevel gear. Also my original post is also meant about the quests that unlock Materia converting, Dying Gear, and Glamour are the main ones I'm talking about.
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05-31-2015, 12:34 AMDicejss
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05-31-2015, 12:43 AMAshkendorIf you don't care about the lore and you just want your loot, you may have chosen the wrong game. Given that FFXIV is heavily story driven, I don't expect that the Coil lockout will go anywhere anytime soon. The same goes for the x primals. It doesn't make any sense for you to hit level 50 and suddenly have a veritable smorgasbord of raid encounters magically unlock themselves in Duty Finder. You have to face those fights one at a time, proving that you can best them before you're able to move on to the next challenge. Like I said before, put some effort toward clearing them. If you don't see a learning party for something, make one. Go make friends and kill things together with them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicejss
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05-31-2015, 01:25 AMSirDiscoFrogAdding onto this, it would also be VERY overwhelming for many. Where would one even start and for what reason? Gated content are also in a sense goals to move forward and progress, giving you a path to go on. Idk about your server but on mine people are still doing clear parties for older EXs and while there is the stigma of Duty Finder, some trials are able to be beaten in DF (Rahmu EX and Shiva EX from personal experience). It wont be instant and may take time, but contrary to popular belief that those who did content fresh out the gate had it easy, it took a decent amount of time for some of them as well. As you make these PF's people might start recognizing your name and may even start joining you quicker based off of doing previous parties with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
Many raids/trials also use tweaked versions of other mechanics. You start learning Divebombs in T5 and it remains relevant even in Turn 13. Tank swap mechanics are pushed starting with Garuda EX and there is slight tweaks to it in many of the EXs that even trickle into Coils. It even goes as far as making 'Heal Swaps' for a few of the fights. Seeing and learning all this comes from experiencing the older content.
If you still are gunho about not wanting to do older content and just gear asap, get Poetics gears or Coil. This game has multiple ways of gearing to the highest ilvl possible even if you can't do the raids. And at least with Coil you only have T5 and T9 to do, and from what Ive noticed T9 is still quite popular. But removing the gates behind certain content would cause more harm than good. -
05-31-2015, 01:29 AMAlberelRight so because you don't care about the lore nothing at all in the game should be tied to the lore, despite so many players clearly liking this aspect of the game. You hardcore epeen obsessive types tend to generalise the entire gaming community thinking everyone likes the same things you do and plays exactly as you do thus everything should be catered to you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicejss
Ok, let's put it this way. FFXIV is a story driven MMO which is one of the reasons many players enjoy it compared to something like WoW. As a result a huge fraction of the content is tied to unlocks based on story progression. It is one of the selling points of the game for many people, as indicated by the sheer number of people in this thread saying so. You may not have known that when first coming into the game but now you do.
With that in mind you should be saying:
"I hate story in games so a story-centric MMO probably isn't for me!"
Instead you're just saying:
"I hate story in games so change this game to suit my specific needs, I don't care if anyone else likes it as it currently is"
Do you realise how selfish you're being?
This game is built around story progression to do everything. You cannot do coil until Bahamut wakes up at the end of the 2.0 story. You cannot do the extreme primals until you've defeated the hard mode primals, leading the beast tribes to use the more costly techniques taught to them by the Ascians. You cannot enter the World of Darkness until you've broken the seal on the Labyrinth of the Ancients and stormed the tower itself to reach the portal to the void.
This game is built around story progression to do everything. If you don't like it then you picked the wrong game. If all you care about is progressing your ilvl and get frustrated at having the story slow you down then you picked the wrong game! There are plenty of other MMOs out there that aren't story-centric. If you don't like story-centric games then why are you trying to change a game that doesn't suit your tastes instead of playing a game that already does? -
05-31-2015, 01:39 AMDicejssNo I did not as an mmorpg has the gameplay that I am looking for so your statement that I should only be playing a mmorpg for the story really is moot. MMOs have and will forever be about the gameplay itself not about the story. Secondly I'm not trying to be selfish but you all are trying to burn me at the stake for stating my opinion on how the content is locked behind all these quests at end game. Clearly some of you need to take a chill pill and stop being so angry.Quote:
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05-31-2015, 01:48 AMWoggers
Guess what? Primals will probably always be farmed because of ponies. And secondly Coil is optional, so No you don't need to complete the T13 to gain access to Alexander. I don't understand what you are complaining about OP.
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05-31-2015, 01:58 AMSirDiscoFrogHowever that's the thing, FFXIV is different from many MMOs in that aspect, hence Ashkendor's comment. They are playing off of their main fans being players of their FF games and catering to that trying to make a story that is at least somewhat appealing and hiding in extras revealing more lore in the harder raid content. Yes gameplay of course will be important to them, but its not like the story is put on the backburner either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicejss
In terms of the burning at the stake, you only have your sweeping generalizations to blame for that lol
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In Heavensward the only thing required from 2.## is finishing all of the Main Scenario, everything else you can access right off the bat once you enter in Ishgard. Alexander will be out weeks after the release so that's more time to complete older content, and now with their being an option to do duties un-level synced or with lesser people there more options to finish older content. However at that point the 2.## gear will only be helpful for leveling/glamor. 3.0 will have their own BiS gear which you can get without the previous trials. It doesn't need to be completed to stay up to date, gear wise or content wise besides having all the dungeons unlocked for Tomes.Quote:
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05-31-2015, 02:04 AMDicejssYes they might but considering how future patches will continue to add more content to clear that ladder of previous content you have to clear is just going to get higher and higher. My suggestion is they should fix it before it becomes a huge problem down the road. My reasoning for this is twofold, one is for returning players who have been gone and come back with having to clear previous stuff or two with new players they have to clear everything to get where current players are.I myself returned couple months ago and had to catch up on all the months of stuff I missed in patches. I have no problems with clearing content my issue is finding people that can and are willing to help so as I see it moving forward this can be a huge problem for many others as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woggers
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05-31-2015, 02:39 AMBalipuWhile he may have phrased his oppinion rather harshly, which you are equally guilty of by the way, I agree with Ryu. THe Final Fantasy 9 story is among the worst. 1# It just stole the plot from dragon ball z. 2# Kuja's motivation is kinda lame. 3# It was made deliberately goofy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeeDeggiThePunisher
It would have worked much better with a normal looking queen, less animal people and Zorn and Thorn as the main bad guys.
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05-31-2015, 02:51 AMGenJoeMaybe that's why I like FF9 so much more than most people, I liked the visuals but more than that, the lame story didn't bother me.. In fact, I've never really appreciated any of FF's stories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balipu
I thought all FF had meh stories.
I uhh.. have a very different taste when it comes to appreciating stories though :D