New to the game. Do summoners become actual summoners later or in the expansion?

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Originally Posted by Cerbs

Had no idea it was. I barely started playing cause of my love for FF but it was disapointing. I moved to a black mage cause it feels closer to an actual BM.. sadly lighting is a dot for the sake of dots. This game is really making me hate how mmo's water down source material.

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Try XI, might be more your cup of tea.

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Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron

I wouldn't say it's safe to say we would get such a spell. In fact it's pretty safe to say we won't. Saint Shiva is unlike other Primals, since she existed as an entity before becoming the Harrier's "Primal". So although Iceheart was able to successfully fuse with Shiva's essence, that doesnt mean it would be possible with the other Primals.

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All of the Primals existed as an entity before before becoming a Primal hell Garuda was someone's Pet Bird before she took on a more Humanoid appearance and becoming a Primal.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

All of the Primals existed as an entity before before becoming a Primal hell Garuda was someone's Pet Bird before she took on a more Humanoid appearance and becoming a Primal

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That is completely wrong. The Primals are the manifestations of elemental Aether in the mortal plane. I forget the correct terminology but a Primal's natural state is actually a non-corporeal form that exists with in the flow of Aether to help maintain balance (they only gain a physical body when summoned). So when a Primal is defeated it returns to this non-corporeal state within the Aether realm. So no all Primals have not existed as an entity before becoming a Primal. They have always been Primals, they have just simply had two forms (corporeal and non-corporeal) Saint Shiva is therefore unique in that regard coz so far she is the only entity to have transformed into a Primal.

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Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron

That is completely wrong. The Primal's are the manifestations of elemental Aether in the mortal plane. I forget the correct terminology but a Primal's natural state is actually a non-corporeal form that exists with in the flow of Aether to help maintain balance. So when a Primal is defeated it returns to this non-corporeal state within the Aether realm. So no all Primals have not existed as an entity before becoming a Primal. They have always been Primals. Saint Shiva is therefore unique in that regard coz so far she is the only entity to have transformed into a Primal.

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Bahumat hasn't always been a Primal he existed as a Dragon being 1 of the 7 sons of Midgardsomr and now he's the big bad Elder Primal.
Also Tristan absorbed the Power of the Elder Primal Belias when he absorbed the Belias Egi.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter if the Primal existed in corporeal form our not before becoming a Primal what matters is if we can control their power.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Bahumat hasn't always been a Primal he existed as a Dragon being 1 of the 7 sons of Midgardsomr and now he's the big bad Elder Primal.

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That's also not true. The lore states that Bahamut (also known as the Dreadwyrm) is an Elder Primal originally summoned by the dragons of Meracydia to repel an invasion by the Allagan Empire. He has always been a Primal, he didn't become one...

Also Tristan didn't fuse with Belias. He combined 3 SMN job crystals in order to give himself the power to summon an Egi of the old Elder Primal Belias. So if anything all this supports is that SMN may get Elder Primal Egi eventually.

Furthermore as I have said before regardless of lore, a fusion spell like the one you suggested could never be implemented due to massive balancing issues. There would be far too many game play mechanics in play for just one job.

you're on a roll, brother.

just to add, fusing into the primal is nt so smn-y.

Speaking of summons, whatever happened to the idea about FCs capturing primals and summoning them on the battle field. I'd rather see this before a SMN rework.

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Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron

That's also not true. The lore states that Bahamut (also known as the Dreadwyrm) is an Elder Primal originally summoned by the dragons of Meracydia to repel an invasion by the Allagan Empire. He has always been a Primal, he didn't become one...Also Tristan didn't fuse with Belias. He combined 3 SMN job crystals in order to give himself the power to summon an Egi of the old Elder Primal Belias. So if anything all this supports is that SMN may get Elder Primal Egi eventually.

Furthermore as I have said before regardless of lore, a fusion spell like the one you suggested could never be implemented due to massive balancing issues. There would be far too many game play mechanics in play for just one job.

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If you completed the main scenrio you'll realize Bahumat a long time ago existed in Hydaelyn as a Dragon and he is one of the 7 sons of Midgardsomr who was recently killed. The Dragons fighting against Ishgaard are trying to Summon Midgardsomr as a Primal. That's why there are a lot of theories going around how the Primals are created since their lore says they existed as either human or beast in the past.

Tristan actually absorbed Belias Egi during our last Encounter as evident when Y'hmitra say's "I didn't think it was possible but he absorbed the power of the Egi.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Bahumat a long time ago existed in Hydaelyn as a Dragon and he is one of the 7 sons of Midgardsomr who was recently killed. The Dragons fighting against Ishgaard are trying to Summon Midgardsomr as a Primal. That's why there are a lot of theories going around how the Primals are created since their lore says they existed as either human or beast in the past.

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I have completed the main scenario and I don't recall any mention of this, there is also no real mention of this in Bahamut's lore online http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/B...l_Fantasy_XIV) There is one sentence though that could allude to this, but it's vague with no actual confirmation.

However no where in the lore does it say that Primals such as Ifrit ever existed as a different entity at one point. It clearly states they are manifestations of Aether and alludes to nothing more than that.

At any rate none of this supports your fusion spell theory which was your original point, not arguing the semantics of unrelated lore.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Tristan actually absorbed Belias Egi during our last Encounter as evident when Y'hmitra say's "I didn't think it was possible but he absorbed the power of the Egi.

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Furthermore, yes Tristan did absorb Belias in the 2nd part of the fight and gained a few buffs and that's great for a boss fight. But how is that supposed to translate into actual player mechanics/game play? Like the SMN is supposed to absorb the Egi to gain a buff and then what?..go back to the standard DoT rotation with a buff that increases DoT potency or something. How is that in any way playing like a true/traditional SMN? as you are so fond of reminding us..

You could also argue that even though Tristan absorbed Belias, that doesn't mean he "fused" with him since his appearance did not change and seemingly didn't gain any of Belias's abilities. But again that's semantics. Fact of the matter is a fusion spell that is not just a simple buff could never be implemented without reworking the entire job around it. Which will most likely never happen. End of.