tanks with strength accessories

You wouldn't even need to see the numbers about the returns on parry; just go by the fact it's not consistent mitigation in a game where healers have to prepare for big hits and react to big hits as if you're not going to parry. Parrying a hit just means your healers will overcure you in most situations that matter.

In some situations its just fine, because yes you don't need 12k HP for a majority of content we have available to us.

But if you enjoy pulling a group of 12 mobs and expect your return in DMG to be better then my Holy bombs...you are both greatly mistaken and you are slowing us down; which I assume is the exact opposite of intent.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

In some situations its just fine, because yes you don't need 12k HP for a majority of content we have available to us.

But if you enjoy pulling a group of 12 mobs and expect your return in DMG to be better then my Holy bombs...you are both greatly mistaken and you are slowing us down; which I assume is the exact opposite of intent.

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With the stun from holy and proper mitigation, it's not an issue though. I've done big pulls (at least on older content) with my strength accessories on and have run into no problems. It's a complete non-issue if the tank has pentamelded accessories, since in that case they're getting huge amounts of strength *and* vitality.

Trash is a different matter and entirely situational. If you happen to run with a BLM/WHM combo in a party then there really isn't a need for STR since trash ends up dying in seconds.

Bosses on the other hand, full on STR. No cleric stanced healer is out DPSing a decent set of STR accessories/attributes. The less time the boss takes, the less damage going out overall. Besides, who needs 12k HP on 4 man content?

More HP means healer can stay in cleric stance longer. I've had to heal STR tanks that I couldn't even get my dots off on sch before i had to get out of cleric stance to keep them from dieing.

Holy stuns, a less geared tank is even more reason to holy since stunned enemies aren't attacking. The tank HP is a non-factor and people need to stop repeating the nonsense that 2000 less hp stops a healer from DPSing. Holy is not only DPS its a way to stop the tank taking so much damage.

And especially if it's a WAR since that DPS with the right cooldowns+overpower spam practically allows them to self-heal. If you are struggling to heal a tank they are not using the right cooldowns regardless of HP. 2000 more HP buys you 1-2 seconds until they drop, if damage is outpacing healing there is literally nothing you can do. If you can DPS its because the tank knows how to be effective with cooldowns, if you can't it's because they are terrible, nothing to do with how much HP they have.

well i do like challange then just do shit dmg and have tons of hp.
Why not speed it up abit?
cut down 2000+ hp gain 100+ more dps?

As a healer I definitely agree that a tank w/ str accessories is fine, even desirable (especially those pentamelded ilv110's). The only problem is, like all trends, it attracts just as many bad players as good players. And like most have mentioned, the extra vit from full tank accessories rarely (if ever) provide enough forgiveness for me to save them from being awful.

What the str accessories really do his highlight a tank's ability to play his or her class or not. <.<

Also, even with a tank with bare bottom HP, there are still good opportunities for healer dps during trash pulls. Holy, in particular. Just top off the tank then swiftcast the first holy without cleric stance to make use of the stun (if you're worried) then during the stun <stance> and throw out two more, then switch back. Regen will still be up and there should be plenty of time to start spamming cure.

Oh, and I thought str affected flash's aggro generation. Doesn't it? Obviously a paladin doesn't gain as much benefit from str during trash pulls as a WAR, but wouldn't it let them conserve some mp by flashing less, therefore allowing less time between pulls? Iono, just thinking outloud. But during boss fights paladin w/ str accessories and sword oath is awesome! Very unlikely anyone will pull hate, even with amazing dps, and with proper cooldown management I don't even miss the 20% dmg reduction from shield-o.

Honestly, with my gear as it is right now, DEF/MDEF/VIT-wise, I could wear no accessories at all and still tank 4-man content reasonably well. It's like some of the other folks have said, the extra STR/DET makes things go a touch quicker, helps build enmity better with fewer skills, and in 24-man content, allows me to DPS with my tank if some other tank's on an "I'm going to MT ALL OF THE THINGS" mentality that I really don't want to compete with.

If you were complaining about tanks in Coil not prioritizing VIT, I'd understand. But 4-man content and even 24-man content isn't really worth the energy to complain about prioritizing STR over VIT on accessories.

In four man content, if the group is pulling big, I expect my tank to last with a divine seal + regen, with holy spam, benediction if needed, more holy, and by then if the dps are worth their salt the pull will be dead. If the tank has enough hp to survive that I don't care how much str they stack.