soo are the dragons really the enemy?

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

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Highly doubt it since the end of 2.5 seems to be shaping up to throwing you into the mess that is Ishgard and how their troubles might spill over into other city states if it's not dealt with soon, not to mention the showing of the Ascians influencing the Holy See in some way and said Ascians have been troublesome to everyone for a long time.

Might be good and bad dragons but overall if any dragons are to be our enemies I believe it would only be so for a small period of time and not long term. I doubt for example patch 4.0 or 5.0 will still be fighting dragons in a primary antagonist sense, that's if they will be such even in 3.0 as there could be other antagonists of different races and forms pulling the strings behind the scenes just like Ascians or the dark crystal, perhaps another primal whom is manipulating other primals. I don't know but I just don't see dragons as being long term primary antagonists for the future of FF14 in general which is not to say won't potentially have dragon antagonists. Personally I think Ascians and their god are still the primary antagonists but that could change.

In all likelihood, we'll end up with two groups of dragons: Nidhogg's children and most loyal followers that want to wipe out Ishgard to the last no matter what, and a separate grouping of Dravanians whose faith in the ongoing war is faltering.

Likewise, with the impending upset of Ishgard's culture (as the head of their government is clearly involved with Ascians and probably going to get taken down) there will probably two groups as well: zealous Ishgardians that will fight all the dragons and any outsiders that try to interfere, and Ishgardians whose eyes are opened to how they've been manipulated and played.

Whatever it is I hope the twist is as good as Dalamud XD

Watch the 2.3 ending cutscene "Brave New Companions" again. The Ascians are working with Ishgard. How much strings they are pulling behind the Archbishop's back and for how long they've been doing this is something that will probably be revealed in the second part of the patch or Heavensward.

And even without that revelation, keep in mind that this is still a Final Fantasy game. Ishgard are religious fanatics and any faction in previous FF's that dealt with religion were revealed to be evil or were evil from the get-go.

My theory is that in Heavensward, we'll ally with Ishgard for the beginning portions of the story. Probably because in the second part of this patch, Ishgard is going to get their asses kicked by the dragons. Then some big revelation will happen (probably this sin Ishgard committed if Midgardsormr is to be believed or we see the Ascians behind the scenes) and we'll, maybe not ally with the dragons, but be a neutral faction to stop both sides from killing one another.

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Originally Posted by Meier

Whatever it is I hope the twist is as good as Dalamud XD

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SUDDENLY SHINRYU APPEARS FROM THE MOON! AND ULTRA-MEGA-GIGA-FLARES ALL OF ISHGAURD LEAVING US TO OUR DRAGON MASTERS


coming soon in 3.9 please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

SUDDENLY SHINRYU APPEARS FROM THE MOON! AND ULTRA-MEGA-GIGA-FLARES ALL OF ISHGAURD LEAVING US TO OUR DRAGON MASTERS


coming soon in 3.9 please look forward to it.

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WRONG!

What will happen is that Garlean Invades Erozea again. During the fight they unleash their newest Weapons Ruby Weapon, Diamond Weapon, and Emerald Weapon. When all three are destroyed they unleash a powerful Aether flow into the world causing a Ancient Primal from before the 1st Astral Era began to awaken and it is called..

THE FINAL PRIMAL!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVls2heTbU


:p

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Originally Posted by Intaki

In all likelihood, we'll end up with two groups of dragons: Nidhogg's children and most loyal followers that want to wipe out Ishgard to the last no matter what, and a separate grouping of Dravanians whose faith in the ongoing war is faltering.

Likewise, with the impending upset of Ishgard's culture (as the head of their government is clearly involved with Ascians and probably going to get taken down) there will probably two groups as well: zealous Ishgardians that will fight all the dragons and any outsiders that try to interfere, and Ishgardians whose eyes are opened to how they've been manipulated and played.

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My best guess is that we won't deal with Ishgard during early parts of Arc 1 in 3.0 but the WoL is forced to escape Ishgard due to the revealing the Holy See serves the Ascians and they want the WoL dead before he or she can cause any trouble again. We most likely will have Midgar help us escape and he takes us to the Flying Continent where we will have to gather new allies from the Flying Continent if we wish to save Eorzea from both Ishgard, the Ascians, and Teledji (assuming Teledji succeeds in his Coup d'etat in 2.5 Part 2 and capture all City-state leaders, Minfilia, and our Ishgard allies).

After we gain our new allies we deal with the Ascians in Ishgard and then free our allies from Teledji but by then Teledji may have obtained Omega Weapon. After that it either a direct storyline, a plot twist, or the Garleans begin their new campagin against Eorzea where all city-states have to band together to build our own Eorzean Airship Armada to counter the Garlean Airship Armada, or a Strike to save Ala Mhigo due to the Remaining Garleans in Eorzea being ordered to make a new Campaign with a small Airship Armada given to them by the new Garlean Emperor.

but this is just my best guess.

I'm surprised no one has brought up this:
Yugiri is Au'ra. The Au'ra are half dragon, half human... presumably the descendants of Saint Shiva (and perhaps her followers?) who is labeled as a heretic for having laid with one.
If the Au'ra are a new playable race... obviously we are taking their side.
Obviously, we will NOT be on the Ascian side... which means we will be going against the ruling party of Ishgard, who are controlled by the Ascians or in league with them at least.

I'm sure most of the scions would agree not to side with Ascians once that involvement is made clear. Which likely means those who are loyal to us: House Fortempts(? Dragonhead) and the one in Whitebrim will likely try to overthrow the order being controlled by the Ascians leading in a sort of civil war or perhaps a three way war with the civil war and the dragons forming a third faction.
The question will be when does our character learn of the Ascian influence over Ishgard. We already know the Crystal Braves has some "weak links" that need to be checked out.

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Well like I said before, most likely we may learn the Ascians control Ishgard early in 3.0 which forces us to flee Ishgard and head to the Flying Continent.

Considering Aymeric and Lucia will be at the party in Ul'dah where the Coup is happening, as 2.5 trailer shows, they may be taken by Teledji if he succeeds with his Coup. So the formation of the Ishgard Rebels to fight against the Holy See and the Ascians may not form until later in 3.0 when we free them.

However, if they avoid capture they may flee to Isghard with us in hopes of convincing the Holy See to help us take back Ul'dah from Teledji and save the other City-state Leaders and Minfilia. Aymeric may say he needs time to set up a meeting with the Holy See at the end of 2.5 Part 2 so we can meet him directly in 3.0. When the Holy See finally decides to meet us in 3.0 storyline, we are finally allowed access into Ishgard due to our actions for saving it and agreement to meet the Holy See. Once we meet the Holy See, he ask us why should Ishgard help the City-states. We give him a answer of our choice and the Holy See responds his reason why he will not help save the City-states. After that he also reveals he knows that we have spoken to Midgar and knowing this he deems us as a Heretic. Aymeric disagrees with this decision and defends us but then both Lahabrea and Elidinus reveal themselves and say somethings to the Holy See and to us. Shocked by this revelation, the Holy See then sends Ishgard soldiers after us and we escape with Aymeric and Lucia's help. After that Midgar then appears and tells us there is still a chance to save Eorzea and it will require us to enter the flying Continent where we will find new allies and a new power. From there Aymeric will tell us to leave Ishgard to them and that they will form a resistance, with Iceheart and her follows as part of the Resistance, against the Holy See and the Ascians. While we head to the Flying Continent to gather allies, the Ishgard resistance focus on trying to take back Ishgard from the Ascians.

However, this is only one of the countless outcomes I've considered may happen so don't take this seriously.

well i have a preety good guess on what "sin" ishgard commited and what they repeat wich leads to the war (if someone explains how the spoiler tag works to me i will post it) well it also explains why icehart has the echo well kinda
as for the rest edwin preety much said what i think too =)