WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO LET US GET FULL HUNT CREDIT SOLO

Don't think increasing the health pools will do much good. It's already been done once before, when hunts first came out.

There are several reasons why it sucks to party up for hunts.
1. Sometimes I'll shout several times and never get invites.
2. When I pony up and take a leadership position, often times I'll continually invite people who are shouting. As soon as I send an invite, after only a few seconds, they've already been scooped up.
3. Now put all this together when your average S rank stays up for very short periods of time thanks to people who pull early. More and more people rush in, doing more and more damage. Trying to invite people starts to really suck up time you could spend alternatively dealing damage or healing, trying to rack up hate.

Having it all based on enmity just kind of sucks because of all this. I think the best way to go about it would just be to lower the threshold required to receiving a good "grade."

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

im on my phone so I dont know your level but I assume its below level 50 so I will teach you something.

SE dont like friends playing together so you can only queue up for Expert and Hard dungeon roulette in a group. The rest of the roulettes you must queue solo. So no you will have to leave the queue id you want to do hunts while waiting for it to pop and get full credit.

Peoples argument is that "this is an mmo ppl have to play together" but I see very few posts about hoe roulettes can mostly only be done solo.

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Because those roulettes literally exist to help lower level players get parties for dungeons. Queuing as more than one would defeat the entire point behind their existence. This does not support you're point.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Because those roulettes literally exist to help lower level players get parties for dungeons. Queuing as more than one would defeat the entire point behind their existence. This does not support you're point.

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Trial roulette
Main scenario roulette
Frontlines roulette
Cant do any of those with friends

and Im still wondering. If I want to level my dps in low level roulette (about 30min+ queue time on my server) am I not allowed to do hunts cause hunts are "group content where you group up for 30 seconds then disbands"
Hunts would be a great way to kill time during long queues so I can actually not see a reason not to let anyone who tags it get full rewars

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

..Peoples argument is that "this is an mmo ppl have to play together" but I see very few posts about hoe roulettes can mostly only be done solo.

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There are no solo roulettes. You must be matched with other players on the DF to do any roulettes.

Some roulettes will not let you queue with your friends to abuse low level players, and rightly so, and in return you get your bonus for helping other players. But there is no solo roulette.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

... you don't have to be partied with people to be playing with them.

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But not being in a party does not mean you are playing with them either. But group rewards require you to be a group. This much should be obvious. But if you are in a party you are certainly playing with the people in that party at the very least. And it certainly makes no sense to ask for group rewards to be given to players playing solo.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

There are no solo roulettes. You must be matched with other players on the DF to do any roulettes.

Some roulettes will not let you queue with your friends to abuse low level players, and rightly so, and in return you get your bonus for helping other players. But there is no solo roulette.

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What I mean by solo ia that I cant queue up with my rl friends. We need to queue up at the same time and pray to the gods that we end up in the same group. people with friends are being punished cause there are players with no friends. Anyways this is off topic I brought it up cause some peoples replies makea me think that being in a group for 30 seconds is more important because its "group content" than being avle to do roulettes with friends. And that person I replied to said in his reply that "just get a group for any content you wanna do and kill the hunt before queuing"

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Actually it would. You wouldn't have as many people getting there too late and getting next to no credit. That would make a pretty big difference in the amount of people getting full rewards. It's not a negative difference necessarily, but overall a lot more points will get handed out per hunt and that means its easier for people to gear up. It does have an effect.

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Then the best solution: just add some Coil style mechanics to the open world Hunt content. Now it's even in many, many ways.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

...hunts are "group content where you group up for 30 seconds then disbands"
Hunts would be a great way to kill time during long queues...

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Hunts are NOT what you do when you are waiting for a queue. That is just so wrong, and you will force the other people to wait for your hunt to finish or withdraw and make them wait some more. If you are going to hunt, hunt. If you are going to queue on the DF, do that, but not both.

And hunt parties that disband after 30 seconds are totally stupid. You get a hunt party, you stay in the hunt party, it works better that way. The idiots that don't understand you see them shout over and over at the next A rank you go to, and you wonder why people do NOT invite them. They are being nuisance and making things hard on themselves. Find a hunt group and stick with it, share information in the LS.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Then the best solution: just add some Coil style mechanics to the open world Hunt content. Now it's even in many, many ways.

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That is so funny. How many noobs have died at the noobclaw? I have to res them all the time and it is just a watered down version of T6 blighted, but it is so infamously known as the noobclaw for a reason. If they add meteors like in T9 where it will insta-wipe everyone, you get no end to the QQ on these forums. Heck people still can't get meteors right in CT.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Hunts are NOT what you do when you are waiting for a queue. That is just so wrong, and you will force the other people to wait for your hunt to finish or withdraw and make them wait some more. If you are going to hunt, hunt. If you are going to queue on the DF, do that, but not both.

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I like how you make arguments as though your way is the only way to play - anyone else's style of playing is wrong, and they should be smote to death for even trying to suggest it. Lol.

There are people who sit around, doing other activities, waiting for mark positions to be called. They wait until the information is fed to them, be it linkshell, shout, or etc. Then, they show up, sometimes ignore the fact there is a party findr and shout for an invite, participate in the hunt for credit - rinse and repeat.

There are people who are trying to do a specific type of content (queue), and they decide to hunt on the side. Maybe they help, or maybe they sit until mark called.

Then, there are people in full parties, actively searching for marks, sharing information with others through linkshells or shout, and wait for others to show up for credit. These people may do this for hours!

So, we've got "The Lazy", the "Not fully invested", and the "Doing all the work". Tell me, why do all of these deserve "Full Credit"?

Also, "Soloers" who can't kill the mark on their own, don't deserve full credit on their own.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

There are no solo roulettes. You must be matched with other players on the DF to do any roulettes.

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Solo roulettes, as it pertains to this discussion (and most others for that matter), are roulettes that you can only enter solo and are therefore required to remain solo for the entire time you're waiting in queue for them. You'll only be in a group after you've entered the dungeon, but we weren't talking about the dungeon content here, but rather the queue time.

If you're queueing for a solo roulette, then you cannot join a group without losing your queue. Players get frustrated if a 30 second hunt has to cost them 30 minutes or more of the DF queue.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Hunts are NOT what you do when you are waiting for a queue. That is just so wrong, and you will force the other people to wait for your hunt to finish or withdraw and make them wait some more. If you are going to hunt, hunt. If you are going to queue on the DF, do that, but not both.

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Because of waiting? Really? It's about the fastest possible thing people could be doing during the queue wait. Currently, people do FATEs, or levequests, or crafting, etc. any of which take longer to finish and accept the DF queue pop than a hunt would. If it weren't for the disconnect between being required to remain solo while in queue and virtually required to be in a group for hunts, then hunts would be the perfect way to fill in the queue waiting time.