I really didn't understand the issue.

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Originally Posted by Krr

Money is player power, and there was a promise that player power won't be sellable in the cash shop.

Making a lot of money - and then using it to invest in goods, such as houses - is by design considered the 'victory condition' of several activities, including crafting and gathering, which are major core components of the game. If this 'victory condition' didn't exist, few players would bother investing time or energy into the game. By spending $20 to effectively buy a personal house ingame, you are paying to win and gaining power over the economy.

Money also directly contributes to combat power in endgame content by enabling you to purchase food, optimally spiritbonded gear, and high-quality X-potions, which give significant enough advantages that they're basically considered mandatory by HC raid groups.

'Paying to win' in most game design statements does not mean 'paying to beat game content,' it means being able to purchase player power with real-life money. Minions, etc, are not player power, though they can be acquired through player power.

Gil is absolutely player power. It allows you to do everything from buying raid supplies to teleporting across the entire world to making sure your equipment still gives you stat bonuses after n amount of minutes spent in combat to purchasing and owning land that lets you more efficiently and exclusively use player power by centralizing most of your basic needs (such as NPCs and even crafting bonus stations).

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Cant say I agree with you on this at all. Gil is so easy to make that I cant see how anyone is broke all the time. People are LAZY -- that is the real issue. Go spiritbond a set, get a crafter up, get a gathering class up. What's so hard about it???

A personal house is not a good, its a luxury. It offers no benefits whatsoever aside from maybe a chocobo stable and a gardening patch. NPC's? Retainers? Can all be accessed in LL and faster (and sometimes cheaper to teleport too)

Raid supplies? You mean food? Potions? Anyone that actually raids is already buying or crafting food/potions and have been doing so LONG BEFORE THESE BRACELETS.

Making sure your equipment still gives you stat bonus's?? Crafting bonus's?? What are you talking about there?

You are making all of this up and need to stop because right now if you have to reach at so much stuff that's not even remotely true to try and make your argument than you have already lost.

Gil is not power in this game because its so easy to make. Lets be real.

The problem is that people have too much time on their hands and when they see other people get even the smallest of advantages they want to get rid of it. In all honesty, this isn't that big of a problem. It's more in their heads.

What they're too shortsighted to see is that the cash shop will provide money and resources to SE, which will make the game better.

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Originally Posted by Alavastre

The problem is that people have too much time on their hands and when they see other people get even the smallest of advantages they want to get rid of it. In all honesty, this isn't that big of a problem. It's more in their heads.

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I would rather speak out now, when the advantage is still "small" than wait other "small" advantages, like EXP boosters or items that release Coil lockouts are added to the Cash Shop.

Such a major issue..but they are going to adjust a few things today so lets see what they do. It's not so much SE's fault but more the players fault, or maybe a bit of both. lets just wait and see what comes up.

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Originally Posted by Eissels

I didn't see any reasoning but "SE is selling gil and this feels greedy to me."

No one actually brought up reasons how it hurt the economy, they just accused SE and the people selling the bracelets of being greedy or lazy.

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Then you either didn't read, or you read selectively because I've seen a bunch of reasons beyond just "SE and the people selling the bracelets are greedy or lazy". Go read again.

I'm amaze people buy these are they even BiS if not not even worth the purchase imo :P

Technically, buying RMT gil isn't really putting more gil into the economy either since it's not just being poofed out of thin air, but it's still generally frowned upon as a lazy way to earn gil by using your RL wallet.

While not the same, this has a similar undertone of using your RL wallet to get ahead in a subscription-based game...which is disheartening. Essentially, the cash shop is now officially beyond just vanity purposes.

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Originally Posted by Alavastre

The problem is that people have too much time on their hands and when they see other people get even the smallest of advantages they want to get rid of it. In all honesty, this isn't that big of a problem. It's more in their heads.

What they're too shortsighted to see is that the cash shop will provide money and resources to SE, which will make the game better.

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People with their head in the dirt like you are part of the problem here. There is not an MMO in history that didn't see the slippery slope effect from its cash shop. Every single game that ever added a cash shop saw a gradual transition to a pay to win business model. The fact is when players pay a subscription for a game they expect to be on an even playing field with the same opportunities available to them (time allowing). This new way of turning RL money into gil essentially means richer players have a massive advantage in any content that involves gil and can gear up faster, buy runs easier, buy multiple houses with zero effort, etc.

At the London fanfest YoshiP emphatically stated 'No pay to win'. This situation now, however, IS pay to win. So quite honestly your opinion is entirely irrelevant because YoshiP has stated something that he has now been caught out on yet again so players have a right to be angry regardless of your willful ignorance on the matter.

This market is a flash in the pan. It will die quickly enough by itself.

Most of you here think that selling these Eternal Bond plans is an infinite and reliable way of getting gils. It's not.

This market completly falls under the supply and demand rule.
Don't forget that or your short views on the matter will remain flawed.

Yes, I understand that, for some people, this is still a problem. But it's not -that- big of a deal regarding long term economy.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

This market is a flash in the pan. It will die quickly enough by itself.

Most of you here think that selling these Eternal Bond plans is an infinite and reliable way of getting gils. It's not.

This market completly falls under the supply and demand rule.
Don't forget that or your short views on the matter will remain flawed.

Yes, I understand that, for some people, this is still a problem. But it's not -that- big of a deal regarding long term economy.

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And there are dyes selling for 500k each, then what gets added in the next patch? and the one after that?