Summoner needs a quick fix too

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Originally Posted by Ardan

There is already a thread on this and it was created yesterday in the DPS section. In fact, Akiza's post here is contradictory to what he wrote originally.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ummoner-and-MP

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Ooohhh snap

Being ignorant on T10+, and speaking specifically on my experience as a SMN only player who is on T9, I have to wonder what am I doing wrong that MP has never been an issue for me. Even on burst fights like T8, I have never had issues with mana, especially having the need to pop an emergency pot. My biggest issues with Mana come with Rezzing a down fighter. That being said, is the curve that much greater for T10?

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Originally Posted by Lycia

Being ignorant on T10+, and speaking specifically on my experience as a SMN only player who is on T9, I have to wonder what am I doing wrong that MP has never been an issue for me. Even on burst fights like T8, I have never had issues with mana, especially having the need to pop an emergency pot. My biggest issues with Mana come with Rezzing a down fighter. That being said, is the curve that much greater for T10?

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Your not dpsing right.

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Originally Posted by Ecks007

Wait, when did we not have some of the best dps when played correctly? *confused* I mean.. bad Summoners are bad Summoners. Bad tanks are bad tanks and bad healers are bad healers.

Summoners are kick ass dps, don't know what OP is smoking.

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Summoners have the best dps but at the cost of draining their mp and taking a massive hit to damage. If a Summoner is doing their optimal rotation they will run out of mp mid fight during coils.

Is the "Optimal" DPS, Ruin 2 while in melee range? If your burning all your Mana, then that rotation isn't truly "Optimal", because the goal should be to sustain damage for 10-12 minutes straight...not blow your load (Ewww sorry) in the first four minutes.

time to look at spell speed and dots. sharing gear that is obviously designed for a blm is frustrating

Anyone who says to not use ruin II doesn't know how to play the job clearly. In an optimal summoner rotation you're going to lose a lot of DPS if you aren't weaving in ruin II between GCDs and during dodge mechanics. Anyone who says BRD should just play ballad doesn't know what they're talking about either. A BRD is going to reduce his damage for 1 person? Yes it's true that healers need ballad too sometimes, but a SMN will probably run out of MP much sooner. Paeon is different as many DPS benefit from it. Having a BLM in place of a SMN means that a BRD can play foe's more often and only ballad when a healer needs it. I think a relatively simple bandaid fix would be to add additional piety to the summoner job crystal. Right now equipping a SMN job crystal adds +10 PIE. If they changed it by +20 or +30 more we would have a higher max MP, our aetherflow would restore more MP, and we would have a higher MP regeneration.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

How does this post have four up-votes ?

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Because it's true. DRG is long overdue for a much needed buff. Every other job is fine.

If bard sing, they lose like 20% of the dps during that time? If bard is doing 400 dps they lose around 80 dps in that time they are singing(i do not actually know how much they lose)? And if summoner lose 25 - 37 dps while using energy drain it is bigger lose singing ballad or using energy drain?

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Originally Posted by Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri

Because it's true. DRG is long overdue for a much needed buff. Every other job is fine.

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Except for the fact that SMN will never out dps a BLM on any content that matters unless your bard doesn't mind running ballad 2-3 times per fight.