Relic weapons situation post expansion

If they add another upgradeable weapon like relic, since they love to gate everything, I wouldn't be surprised if you have to have the finished zodiac relic to start on the "new" one.

If they do that, expect them to tone down the quest. Just like 1.0 Relic -> 2.0 Relic.

Wouldn't be surprised if they toned down some of the steps immensely for 2.4 since they said that it was on the table when the ilvl goes up.

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Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

Animus is bad. Where is the animus complaining?

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Part of the lack of complaining is simply the fact that there is tangible, easily-seen progress whereas Atma is so random you have absolutely no guarantee of making any progress over the next hour or two.

That being said, they would definitely have to nerf both phases in the future, as they are simply insane timesinks for very little in the way of benefit. The time cost/benefit ratio is heavily skewed. At least Novus gets you something for the time and effort with all that crit/det (and you can throw in a third stat for minimal DPS loss while saving millions of gil if you're smart).

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Originally Posted by Felis

I fixed it a bit.
Even for the Animus quests you can only do the books with the relict you want to upgrade.

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To be fair, you can hunt atma with any class with a Zenith weapon.

That has nothing to do with queues, though. :3

I want to believe that different relics moving forward will have different quests, especially once we start moving to other continents and such, since those jobs will be native to those places and may have their own awesome stories of what they used to be and how to make them that way again. I'm only finishing my relic upgrades for my main class, and I keep one of my side jobs at Zenith so I can use it to gather Atma, though I do hope they diversify stuff to do for new relics later on based on where the relics come from.

I just wish they ease the grind a bit and not make the relic quest not too scattered all over the place. people will want to get relics for alt classes as well too.

regarding atma: I never had an issue with completing that but seeing that its only a visual upgrade and no stat increase whatsoever, they should just remove the rng and just let people complete it by doign 1 fate in each mentioned area. . simple questline for a simple "upgrade".

Why do they have to make it easier? Doesn't that go against the entire concept of a relic weapon in the first place? You don't have to use a relic. There are plenty of alternative weapons to choose from.

Besides, the increased tome rates already serve to make it easier.

Just have ATMA drops without wielding a zenith. Lots of alts to level through fates.

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Originally Posted by JonBigwood

Animus might need some change to make it quicker.

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To Animus future 'nerfs', they could allow players to buy as many books that they want. Targets & dungeons/fates overlap allowing fewer trips and a shorter overall process.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Why do they have to make it easier? Doesn't that go against the entire concept of a relic weapon in the first place? You don't have to use a relic. There are plenty of alternative weapons to choose from.

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Expecting 3.0 era players to have to go through the same grind that players currently doing all this had to go through is insane, especially when shortcuts already exist - after long enough they should exist for the older parts of the relic too so long as the 3.0 equivalents remain similar to what exists now. The idea isn't to make it easier, but rather to allow new players a method by which to catch-up. Otherwise you're effectively going to lock them behind the grind.

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

Expecting 3.0 era players to have to go through the same grind that players currently doing all this had to go through is insane, especially when shortcuts already exist - after long enough they should exist for the older parts of the relic too so long as the 3.0 equivalents remain similar to what exists now. The idea isn't to make it easier, but rather to allow new players a method by which to catch-up. Otherwise you're effectively going to lock them behind the grind.

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Why do they need to be able to catch up right away? It's not like it's impossible for them to build up their relic. I don't see why being a new player entitles them to have quick access to what is supposed to be a legendary weapon. New players don't need relic weapons. Nobody actually needs relic weapons. There are plenty of alternative weapons in the game at this point.