Stop Raising Item Level and build foundation with Horizontal Progression first

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Or an "Ultimate WHM melee build" - sure, no one would use a melee WHM in a serious event, but that sure didn't stop people from hunting Shen, now did it?

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~COUGHS~ They let me >.>;... Near the end of my XI career.

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On topic: I have nothing to add, carry on ^^;

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Originally Posted by Arkine

I'd personally love to see less of the current 4 stats on gear formula.

Maybe add unique gear with special stats like instead of:

20STR/20VIT/15ACC/15S.Speed

We'll see something like:

-20STR/+40VIT/15ACC/15S.Speed.

Or new stats all together like Enmity, Damage taken -/+, or straight up skill specific gear like "Enhanced Bersek"

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That honestly sounds over complicated/something no one would use once the novelty wears off.

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Originally Posted by Arkine

I'd personally love to see less of the current 4 stats on gear formula.

Maybe add unique gear with special stats like instead of:

20STR/20VIT/15ACC/15S.Speed

We'll see something like:

-20STR/+40VIT/15ACC/15S.Speed.

Or new stats all together like Enmity, Damage taken -/+, or straight up skill specific gear like "Enhanced Bersek"

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FFXI is that way. --->

I'm all for horizontal progression (it's the only true "system". Vertical progression is just glamour with numbers) but, to work in FFXIV, it would ask more than just adding new bonus types to equipments.

The jobs "system" (again, it's not a "system" in its current form. It's just glorified fan service) would need a lot of rework. A good equipment system is complementary to a good progression system.

Then, the battles design would need to change too. Horizontal progression allows players to come up with their own solution to win battles. FFXIV doesnt work like this : to win, we only need to guess the developpers' shenanigans.

That would also require interesting stats, though.

Righ now it would be pretty useless though, as most job only get 1 decent secondary stat.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

FFXI is that way. --->

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XI did a lot of things right, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to see things implemented from a successful* game. No one is asking for a XI clone.

*This point will obviously be debated, but XI has stood the test of time, and is still going strong, eleven years later.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Gear needed for Ilvl requirements is accesible by everyone. Which is one reason it's more succesful than FFXI.

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Having 2 million players for 9 months (FXIV) versus having 500,000+ players for 10 years (FXI).

Not too sure which one you would call more successful than the other, so you might want to tap the breaks a little bit with that assessment.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

FFXI is that way. --->*FFXIV*<----and wow is this way

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Fixed that for you.

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Originally Posted by AzakaTonnerre

Having 2 million players for 9 months (FXIV) versus having 500,000+ players for 10 years (FXI).

Not too sure which one you would call more successful than the other, so you might want to tap the breaks a little bit with that assessment.

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One being released in the early 2000s when MMOs weren't exactly "mainstream" let alone most people were still on dial-up and the other after WoW bringing MMOs into mainstream? The fact XI could retain it's population for a decade on it's "archaic system" as some say, with WoW being beside it, and it's graphics staying the same since 2002... I'd say it did pretty damn well.

Horizontal progression done right -> high development time -> less content successfully released on a regular basis.

Horizontal progress done wrong (rushed/un-balanced) -> BIS builds come out and large amount of content becomes ignored immediately, everyone picks and chooses their fights.

Horizontal progress done wrong (elemental resistance gimmick) -> Simply a handful of barriers/gear checks with no added benefit towards game play, basically what we already have.

Choose your poison...