i have given all the proof and you want to invalidate it because you think otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaels
you can say its a weak argument but it's not SE is changing it, starting with the nov part they saw the outrage over it and now it's getting adjusted hmmm?
then you have all the forums people yea people speak up when they are upset it happens but with 160 pages? you really wanna say that's nothing? when both the jp and na forums have threads just as long as each others? are you saying that's just a coincidence? then you have in game, when it comes to small complaints on the forums you never hear it in game yet people have complained and more in game over it.
you can say you never saw it but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen in the end you use some small excuse to say i am wrong. please continue how come t6-9 isn't being even considered right now? i would say its because noone is complaining because people are happy with it, why are other things that players like not being considered here? why would this one specific thing change? simple it's because the majority hates it.
ATMA is AWESOME, more Content like it please
Printable View
-
04-25-2014, 01:45 PMMusashidon
-
04-25-2014, 01:52 PMZaelsI still see no proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
160 pages of whining is not an accurate representation of the community, or acceptable proof that the majority does not like it. If everyone that liked the Animus questline posted about it, there may be a topic just as big and we will never know. You still fail to get the point that people that like or don't care about the quest WILL NOT SPEAK UP ABOUT IT. It's just easier to look at all the whine topics and say "oh everyone must hate it" than to think about all the people that don't care to post about it.
When people go out of their way to give restaurants feedback its almost always complaining about the food, not telling them they liked the food. Those feedback does not necessarily mean that most people dislike the food. The same applies for these forums. -
04-25-2014, 01:56 PMSpookyGhost
You both have no proof because neither of you can speak for the majority of the community. Since complaints on the forums could easily be the vocal minority, there is no way to gauge whether or not a majority of the playerbase likes the Atma quest. The only way to be certain is to poll everyone which isn't going to happen. So let's go back to stating our own opinions rather than making sweeping accusations.
-
04-25-2014, 01:58 PMMusashidonyou still fail to see that if it wasn't a majority SE wouldn't have postponed the next part they wouldn't be adjusting the next part and wouldn't be looking for feedback on something every liked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaels
you keep completly ignoring this but ok i see here you read what you want it's ok.
SE is all the proof anyone needs that the majority hates the quest but people just act like this is normal like a company changes something players like because they just feel like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
-
04-25-2014, 01:59 PMZaelsExcuse me? Am I trying to say the majority likes it? Nope, because saying that is just as bad and wrong as saying the majority does not like it. You are failing to see my point because I'm not trying to speak for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
My point is that you cannot speak for everyone. It has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on the Atma questline. -
04-25-2014, 02:01 PMZaelsDid SE say it was because a majority of players hate the quest? Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
They postponed it because "many players do not have Animus". That has nothing to do with the majority opinion. The majority of players not having an Animus is not the same as the majority of players not liking it. -
04-25-2014, 02:03 PMMusashidonyes then they are adjusting the next part because of the feedback they have gotten are you gonna ignore that? it has everything to do with majority opinion plenty of people already said they would feel to far behind if more was added already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaels
-
04-25-2014, 02:08 PMZaelsEven if they adjust it because of feedback, still doesn't prove the majority of players dislike it. Perhaps they're just trying to please the specific group of people complaining about it, which I will admit to be significant in number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
But that number doesn't prove anything.
Since you still don't get it...
Subjectively True statement: There are a lot of people that do not like the Animus questline
False until proven otherwise statement: The majority of the playerbase do not like the Animus questline
Only a poll containing a reasonable sample size can prove that. You don't have that. -
04-25-2014, 02:21 PMMusashidonpolls prove nothing, they are all very situational.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaels
polls are used to make false statements i could ask 100k people if they like or dislike it if 70% said they like it i just adjust it say i only ask 40k and say most hated it.
a poll only proves that the people asked liked or disliked it. unless every single player were to answer would it be true, yet plenty of people hate polls and do no participate yet they could be a large number and change it either way, or they cna be sick or away or anything else.
you never get the real numbers they just make people feel better.
think of it like the old 1.0 polls there are alot of people who voted didn't like what came from it yet more people play now, the question is was the poll right or wrong? it was wrong in the sense of 1.0 players liking the outcome but right in the sense of making the game successful.
it's just a scapegoat for you to say i can't prove it. which i already did. -
04-25-2014, 02:26 PMZaelsI said reasonable sample size. It doesn't take a genius to know that selective polling isn't accurate. By reasonable, I mean to poll a significant number of people in a clearly non-biased way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
It's not 100% accurate without polling every person, but it's still a ton more accurate than any of the "proof" you've come up with.
You didn't prove it. And repeating yourself without coming up with any real proof doesn't make your argument stronger. I have shot down every silly point you've made to "prove" the majority of the players do not like it, and you have yet to make any good points.
Just face the facts. You're wrong. And continuing this argument doesn't make you any less wrong. Keep on pretending everyone's on your side, because I'm sure it feels a whole lot better to be delusional and ignore the truth than to accept that you're wrong.