Devs - Is the Zodiac questline going to be nerfed in the near future?

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

The only negative they mentioned is giving a justifiable reason for those that do not want to commit to a grind.

I don't know why you assume I did not read that statement because I did. I read all of it and overall it is nothing but a run around.

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I dunno how long it took you to get your wep but I am still grinding out on week 4 while others have their 5th wep, so I cannot say I appreciate your tone. I only have two reasons to run the grind now, and that's for the 1k trophy and the 3k achievement. If they drop then they drop. :/

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Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

Bottom Line. They've seen a month's worth of feedback. They should be able to tell us if they are planning on increasing the atma drop rate. The faster they provide us with this information the better.

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if they are planning on increasing the atma drop rate, they aren't going to tell players before they do it. that would be highly illogical. there's a reason why the letter from the producer is so vague. they're going to want people to continue working on the zodiac weapon quests while they work on incorporating the countless number of complaints.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

The only negative they mentioned is giving a justifiable reason for those that do not want to commit to a grind.

I don't know why you assume I did not read that statement because I did. I read all of it and overall it is nothing but a run around.

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You stated your opinion and asked for more clarification of mine. Now you finally clarify yours with the opinion of it being nothing but a run around.

What I don't want is some broken/bugged/rushed/unbalanced content released just because you have an Animus waiting. I could care less about the Atma grind as I already committed to it.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

What I don't want is some broken/bugged/rushed/unbalanced content released just because you have an Animus waiting. I could care less about the Atma grind as I already committed to it.

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Which again how is it gonna be any more "broken/bugged/rushed/unbalanced content if they released it tonight and fixed it by 2.28? You didn't clarify that.

You only repeated what was said with no actual insight of what is really going on in their end since it ain't getting any more or any less "balanced" between 2.25 and then. Thus it's a run around.

Sorry that you can't seem to grasp or accept the notion behind that.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

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i'd imagine that they're putting off the next step in the zodiac quest so they don't have the same complaints that they had with atmas. just a guess, but i'd imagine the intense negative feedback on the up in arms quest made SE double think their plan for the entire zodiac weapon quest.

From the live letter I didn't take it as them saying it will be nerfed, just that they are taking future parts due to it
Would I be upset now that my blm has the atma grind over for it to be nerfed? No I wouldn't because it was my choice to do the fates, nobody held me at gunpoint

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Originally Posted by Ramzal

To be clear, I don't mind RNG. What I mind is RNG that's hooked to a mechanic that is dull and I literally have to "distract myself" while doing it to not get bored. I'm sorry but I thought a video game was supposed to serve as a distraction from real life in exchange for entertainment. Not a second job I have to pay for.

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I agree. As much as I hate trying to get groups together to farm T5 because people can't understand the concept on Conflags, I am far more OK with attempting to beat something difficult and dealing with the RNG at the end of that than having to do a million Fates to get not 1 but 12 of these stones just to get the ilvl upgrade.

I got my Atma weapon and am working on the books (which I don't mind at ALL), but I stopped caring about the Atma at all during the actual grind for it. Obviously, the instant I stopped caring is when I started getting them, but whatever. I did the Fates while waiting to do other things; queuing for CT to gear my alts to Coil levels, waiting on Party Finder to get people together to do actual Coil runs, all because I was bored out of my mind waiting. I didn't care about Atma. I had no burning DESIRE to get one. That is probably what they're evaluating. I was not looking forward to it. It is the single most talked about subject on the forum. If you have a weapon quest line for a weapon that can be upgraded, but people either have no interest in it OR people don't have it for whatever reason, they want to find out why.

As I've said in previous threads, the lack of response normally indicates that they're still doing research. At my job, if we are evaluating feedback, we are still analyzing things. There are no ETAs, there are no constant updates because there is uncertainty and you don't want to set false expectations or lead people on. There are far less consequences for silence than making a promise and failing to deliver.

If they were expecting 10% of the populace to have Animus and only 3% have it, that's way below projected expectations.

Myth is the main resource for getting up Atma, but its also the primary currency for a LOT of things, and it isn't easy to get. It may be uncapped, but with SO many things demanding it and causing problems that are hurting the experience of the playerbase (Brayflox HM in DF, quits at last boss...who joins Brayflox In Progress? O_o) and it needs to be looked at.

This will probably affect their future content that is working on a similar concept, so its a very pivotal piece of content. If I saw this amount of backlash, I'd be gathering data as well.

I really do hope they are going to chance the drop rate of it somewhat. I also don't mind working for my gear in any form or shape but fate grinding...Omg, I understand the need to make lower level fates to get populated for new players etc however doing it by boring the hell out of your end game players doesn't seem to be the good way to do it. I have no issues with RNG either if RNG was applied to something other then Fates. I enjoy doing primals or Coil and yes it sucks I don't get my gear from it right away but thats RNG, it happens. Thing is, they are fun to do and thus I don't mind doing them and getting unlucky most of the time. With fates it is the otherway around, I don't find it fun and when it is not fun.. I hate the RNG on it.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Which again how is it gonna be any more "broken/bugged/rushed/unbalanced content if they released it tonight and fixed it by 2.28? You didn't clarify that.

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You want something unfinished released and patched later. Which makes no sense at all.

My Clarification is the same. It's the devs call, they typically do not delay content unless there is something more involved. The talk of re-balancing it is a clear indication it is not ready for the public.

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Originally Posted by rhemi1

The book portion isn't as bad if you think about it in individual books. You can get 500 myth a day just by doing your roulettes, so even if you did nothing but those and then logged out, you could get a book in 3 days. Given that you need 9 books, that's about 27 days, so a bit less than a month, and that's if you don't do any actual grinding on the side.

That's much better than the Atma system. Even if you split it up, you won't always get results. You can spend hours in the same zone and never see an Atma, whereas you can spend hours grinding Myth and make progress on your books. If anything needs a nerf (Or a buff, in this case), it's the Atma drop rate.

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500 a day from strictly roulettes? Elaborate please.

Isn't it more ~300?