Everyone stop it... Players and Staff.

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Originally Posted by Xikaz

You use a lot of pompous language to make absolutely no point at all. Who are you to say the price on the housing is illogical? Do you have access to the economic data on each server? Or are you just using anecdotal evidence?

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Yoshi's post admits that the reason prices are high is because there isn't enough server capacity to meet demand. Economic data, RMT, etc. are excuses to cover the fact that it will take them months to get enough server capacity up.

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Originally Posted by Lingarn

I can have knowledge of the best shipping practices without having the ability to act on that knowledge, and this is why the dichotomy is false. The ability to do is not the same as the ability to judge the quality of a thing done. Moreover, my opinion may be inexpert, but feedback about whether or not this change makes the game better or worse doesn't need to be expert.

As to my specific use of "bad": Housing prices are high because the servers can't handle enough housing to meet demand. That has infuriated people. Furious people are less likely to keep giving you money. I would call that a "bad" business practice, on the assumption that their business model is based on getting money from people. My language may be imprecise, but my point is sound.

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Indeed you can have that knowledge if you have access to a source to do the necessary research on it. In this case, you don't. You make an assumption based on ignorance (I'm not using this word as an insult, but you are ignorant to the capabilities of the company as we all are because we don't have access to that information) and on your bias that you are unhappy about housing prices and form in into the inexpert opinion that "SE jacked up the prices because they don't have enough server space" by taking information that was provided and twisting it to fit your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Xikaz

You use a lot of pompous language to make absolutely no point at all. Who are you to say the price on the housing is illogical? Do you have access to the economic data on each server? Or are you just using anecdotal evidence?

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That's the thing about "pompous language" it still makes sense, even if you don't get it. I made plenty of points. You're just desperate for a fight, so you pretend they don't exist.

And, like the other guy I just responded to, you have so little to come back with that you had to cherry pick my post to do so. you left out the bulk of my post, which was about your hypocrisy. You want to talk "pompous", Mr. "Opinions I disagree with aren't worth validating or addressing, but watch me do it"?
Please.

Yoshi's own words prove me right. There isn't enough server space. Or is that too anecdotal?

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Originally Posted by PapesseLudovique

Congratulations on cherry picking whatever part of my post served you most, and discarding the rest. Criticism does not have to be constructive. Criticism is criticism.

A "level headed" person wouldn't defend a company without objectivity or question. No, what you want isn't "level headed", what you want is "apologetic", you want light, kid glove covered, mealy criticism.
Argue my point if you must, but your commentary on how I deliver it, is irrelevant. It was the truth. We're paying for their problem. Just like Diablo 3 players suffered because of Blizzard's problems with RMT.

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What I want is people who have a base level of logic and reason and not a herd-mentality "X person says this sucks so I agree and this is the reason because I was told it was" 'criticism'.

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Originally Posted by PapesseLudovique

Yoshi's own words prove me right. There isn't enough server space. Or is that too anecdotal?

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No not anecdotal, just plain wrong.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Our fundamental stance toward housing prices was that we wanted to ensure that plots would be evenly distributed, avoiding a situation in which the wealthiest players could easily buy up all available plots of land. Please understand that while we will be adding servers and expanding housing areas as soon as we can, it is simply physically impossible for us to accomplish this easily, in a matter of one or two weeks.

If the initial price of land was easily within the means of wealthy players, one can envision all available plots of land being snatched up immediately, leaving other players—even those possessing the necessary gil—unable to purchase land for an extended period of time. Seeking to avoid this, we made the difficult decision to go forward with the pricing scheme we presented, aware that many players would be unable to afford housing for a while.

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The quoted section is above. This doesn't mean there isn't ENOUGH server space, it means there is a limit to which wealthy players could abuse the system if it was not maintained from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

You make an assumption based on ignorance ...and on your bias that you are unhappy about housing prices and form in into the inexpert opinion that "SE jacked up the prices because they don't have enough server space" by taking information that was provided and twisting it to fit your opinion.

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No interpretation required. They have so few houses available that the wealthy of each server would be able to buy them all if they were priced in a range where most FCs could afford them, so they raised the prices beyond what the wealthy can afford. The prices will go down over time, as they add more server space. Even by their estimates, 20% of FCs won't be able to afford a house in 3 months.

That is exactly what Yoshi said. Don't call me ignorant because you dislike the reality of the situation.

YOUR CRITICISM OF A GAME AFFECTS MY LIFE!

Seriously, this housing thing is a slap in the face. You have SE on the one hand touting their 600k subscriptions (ie - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$), and on the other hand arbitrarily limiting access to content because they can't properly support their own games needs for server capacity. They should be embarrassed, instead they just give excuses that assume their player base is too stupid to see right through.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

What I want is people who have a base level of logic and reason and not a herd-mentality "X person says this sucks so I agree and this is the reason because I was told it was" 'criticism'.



No not anecdotal, just plain wrong.

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Except that's not what is being done here. I wasn't told anything sucks. I decided that it sucks. You making up imaginary, motivation for my opinions is irrelevant. Mindlessly defending the game is the ultimate herd mentally. I don't see you calling out people who defend based on the same motivation.

So you're calling Yoshi a liar? Who isn't being level headed now?
Are you going to talk the time to correct me? Or just say I'm wrong? How am I wrong? How is YoshiP wrong?

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Originally Posted by Lingarn

No interpretation required. They have so few houses available that the wealthy of each server would be able to buy them all if they were priced in a range where most FCs could afford them, so they raised the prices beyond what the wealthy can afford. The prices will go down over time, as they add more server space. Even by their estimates, 20% of FCs won't be able to afford a house in 3 months.

That is exactly what Yoshi said. Don't call me ignorant because you dislike the reality of the situation.

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This isn't real land. This is instanced content, how do you not have enough *available* plots? How cheap are they with their server hardware?

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Originally Posted by Lingarn

No interpretation required. They have so few houses available that the wealthy of each server would be able to buy them all if they were priced in a range where most FCs could afford them, so they raised the prices beyond what the wealthy can afford. The prices will go down over time, as they add more server space. Even by their estimates, 20% of FCs won't be able to afford a house in 3 months.

That is exactly what Yoshi said. Don't call me ignorant because you dislike the reality of the situation.

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You can interpret it however you want but it is still just your interpretation. There is a set limit, but we have no idea what that limit is so to say that there isn't enough space is just you assumption of the information that was presented. There could be space for 1,000 houses and still 10 wealthy players could effectively buy out all the plots if the prices at the level they are on non-legacy servers but I wouldn't consider 1,000 houses to be a low number by any means.

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Originally Posted by PapesseLudovique

Except that's not what is being done here. I wasn't told anything sucks. I decided that it sucks. You making up imaginary, motivation for my opinions is irrelevant. Mindlessly defending the game is the ultimate herd mentally. I don't see you calling out people who defend based on the same motivation.

So you're calling Yoshi a liar? Who isn't being level headed now?
Are you going to talk the time to correct me? Or just say I'm wrong? How am I wrong? How is YoshiP wrong?

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See my above response.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

The quoted section is above. This doesn't mean there isn't ENOUGH server space, it means there is a limit to which wealthy players could abuse the system if it was not maintained from the beginning.

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Right, and what do we have right now? A situation where only the wealthiest FC's can afford the housing!
If they made instanced housing, it would not be an issue. If they had separate housing servers like so many other games, then the problem of imaginary rich players buying up the property too quick wouldn't exist.

But here's the thing, making the prices too high ensures that most plots will remain vacant, taunting the player base and going unused. It also ensures that the rich are still the only FCs that will own them. and assuming that an FC would actually buy up all the plots for themselves is insane.