Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Those people who never set a foot in anything above Normal Raids sure have a lot to say about how the game should be played.

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If anyone needs a 3rd party plugin that solves the mechanics for them to clear high end content, they are a bad player and clearly don’t have the skill level for that content.
Also if anyone needs to see their DPS value, they are not playing the content for the reward (which is a beautiful weapon), but they are playing to min-max.

If you need any of this to enjoy the game, then you are not only playing the game incorrectly, but also not playing the right game for you. This is not an esports game and we have no official leaderboards showing how long it took which team to kill a boss.
Addons for PvE content are not quality of life features, they are only an ego boost.

I don’t raid much, but when I do, I do it for the challenge, and not to circumnavigate my way around the challenge.

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Originally Posted by Anger

In light of the recent TOP issue and concerns surrounding the legitimacy of their clear - would you be opposed to anticheat software scanning your system for addons/parsers/plugins?

This would help enforce the total and categorical ban on any third party programs used.

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The only people that Anti-cheat software hurts is people that aren't cheating.

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

If anyone needs a 3rd party plugin that solves the mechanics for them to clear high end content, they are a bad player and clearly don’t have the skill level for that content.
Also if anyone needs to see their DPS value, they are not playing the content for the reward (which is a beautiful weapon), but they are playing to min-max.

If you need any of this to enjoy the game, then you are not only playing the game incorrectly, but also not playing the right game for you. This is not an esports game and we have no official leaderboards showing how long it took which team to kill a boss.
Addons for PvE content are not quality of life features, they are only an ego boost.

I don’t raid much, but when I do, I do it for the challenge, and not to circumnavigate my way around the challenge.

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I'd like to point out the original thing that got people riled up this time was a player using a mod to zoom the camera out further. It did not solve the mechanics for them, though the zoomed out camera did help the solve the mechanics faster.

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

If anyone needs a 3rd party plugin that solves the mechanics for them to clear high end content, they are a bad player and clearly don’t have the skill level for that content.
Also if anyone needs to see their DPS value, they are not playing the content for the reward (which is a beautiful weapon), but they are playing to min-max.

If you need any of this to enjoy the game, then you are not only playing the game incorrectly, but also not playing the right game for you. This is not an esports game and we have no official leaderboards showing how long it took which team to kill a boss.
Addons for PvE content are not quality of life features, they are only an ego boost.

I don’t raid much, but when I do, I do it for the challenge, and not to circumnavigate my way around the challenge.

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And certainly not to carry your weight by the looks of it. Also something doesn't need to be official to exist, cuz yknow...fflogs

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

Anti cheat is not a one and done solution because many people still cheat in games with anti cheat software. At least there is a chance of getting caught. Having zero systems in place to detect cheaters other than seeing them use software on a stream is indeed appaling.

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But to what degree would they work is the question? Would you be banned for using QoL plugins without which the game is quite literally unplayable for many people and SE is far too lazy these days to even consider adding them.What about Gshade?

I feel like SE truly doesn't care about QoL, HUD or Gshade stuff, but they are bothered by Raid cheats and I'm not sure if they could find a way to prevent one without preventing the others which is likely why they haven't come up with an anti-cheat yet.

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

If anyone needs a 3rd party plugin that solves the mechanics for them to clear high end content, they are a bad player and clearly don’t have the skill level for that content.
Also if anyone needs to see their DPS value, they are not playing the content for the reward (which is a beautiful weapon), but they are playing to min-max.

If you need any of this to enjoy the game, then you are not only playing the game incorrectly, but also not playing the right game for you. This is not an esports game and we have no official leaderboards showing how long it took which team to kill a boss.
Addons for PvE content are not quality of life features, they are only an ego boost.

I don’t raid much, but when I do, I do it for the challenge, and not to circumnavigate my way around the challenge.

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Bold of you to assume you can dictate how one should play and enjoy a game.
Isn't it quite stupid that SE keeps introducing newer and harder DPS checks in end-game content but there's no dps meter in-game? At least not in normal or extremes but there should definitely be one in Savage and ultimates, if you keep failing a dps check in PF then everyone deserves to know because whom they're failing, ask them to learn their rotation better, if they refuse, kick them.

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

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I mod steam games all the time, not sure why you're championing them as some indestructible force of nature or something

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

If anyone needs a 3rd party plugin that solves the mechanics for them to clear high end content, they are a bad player and clearly don’t have the skill level for that content.
Also if anyone needs to see their DPS value, they are not playing the content for the reward (which is a beautiful weapon), but they are playing to min-max.

If you need any of this to enjoy the game, then you are not only playing the game incorrectly, but also not playing the right game for you. This is not an esports game and we have no official leaderboards showing how long it took which team to kill a boss.
Addons for PvE content are not quality of life features, they are only an ego boost.

I don’t raid much, but when I do, I do it for the challenge, and not to circumnavigate my way around the challenge.

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This is one of the most ignorant posts in this thread lol.

Who are YOU to tell someone they're playing wrong? Who are YOU to complain about how people enjoy the game? Who are YOU to say it's wrong for people to enjoy trying to parse well? Who are you to claim your subjective opinion on the weapon appearance is fact (spoilers: I think almost all of the ultimate weapon skins are ugly).

Why do you think people raiding to parse aren't "doing it for the challenge"? Why is trying to be better at the game "the wrong way to play"? The sheer arrogance of this post to act like your way of playing is the only correct way of playing, good lord.

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Originally Posted by JOsha

Bold of you to assume you can dictate how one should play and enjoy a game.
Isn't it quite stupid that SE keeps introducing newer and harder DPS checks in end-game content but there's no dps meter in-game? At least not in normal or extremes but there should definitely be one in Savage and ultimates, if you keep failing a dps check in PF then everyone deserves to know because whom they're failing, ask them to learn their rotation better, if they refuse, kick them.

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No imho it isn’t stupid. DPS meters undeniably create toxicity.
FF: If a group fails a DPS check, everyone will try harder, because it’s not possible to see who is struggling the most.
WoW: If a group fails a DPS check, the one who has the lowest DPS gets kicked immediately.

Which game of those two do you want to play? After 10 years of WoW where I was afraid to even try raiding, I’m glad I’m playing FF instead now. DPS meters are not necessary at all and the day FF allows them, will be the day I quit FF.

You can easily pinpoint a low-performing player even without a DPS meter. Experienced players can immediately tell who doesn’t know their rotation even without a DPS meter. There’s no need to reduce group effort to plain numbers like in WoW.