Revelations from Patch 5.3

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

On the subject of the Bozja story's conclusion...

Misija is now on my "needs to die" list for all that Mikoto bullying.

I feel she's liable to be dealt with in the next chapter considering that Menenius seems to still view her as something expendable in spite of the privileges she's been given, and Noah has yet to get directly involved in this mess, which implies he might have bigger plans then simply summoning a primal.

I assume she's likely going to use the blade to perform an incarnate summoning once the time comes...though who knows how that's going to work out with an artificial Echo, considering the side effects Fordola is suffering from. Zenos was never normal to begin with which I assume is why he hasn't had any issues.

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Knowing how Matsuno works...

It's possible that Misija will be there until the end and be one of the final battles fought for the Resistance storyline, outlasting everybody else.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

About that Lyon guy

Getting his file from Castrum reveals he was demoted from sas to rem so it is a power switcheroo but Lyon still has Gabranth's respect since he has fought with Basch since Landis and Lyon respects Noah as well.

It is very nice to see a full legion going all out, this feels like an actual war rather than what SB did, Bozja has really highlighted how poorly handled 4.0 was and how much a crux Zenos was to drive the narrative, fear was the primary motivator for people to obey him, he was a monster and still is, we are not facing a monster at Bozja, we are facing different ideals, honest and good ideals and a lot of the legion is more than willing to die to see Noah's country come to fruition.

Man I love Matsuno's work, he has taken the base of FFXIV and made it work while also not making it disjointed from the main game.

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I agree with you about Matsuno. Unfortunely, we know from his previous games that this war will get messier and have some heartbreak ahead.

On the subject of Bozja...

I find it a bit worrisome that we still don't know why Noah was after the Tartarus tech in Goug.

On the surface the present primal issue is bad enough but if he's keeping some kind of dimension-warping superweapon under wraps things are definitely going to get worse before they get better.

I'm not so sure

that he was after Tartarus. Sicinius' profile says they took Construct-type robots from Goug, so maybe that's all they took? I'd certainly like to see more Tartarus elaboration though.

Unrelated to that,

it looks like Queen Gunnhildrs were decided by the shaman caste and not passed down by blood. Most were Hrothgar simply because of numerical odds - Hrothgar being the most populous race in Bozja - but not all were even before Misija's ancestor.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

On the subject of Bozja...

I find it a bit worrisome that we still don't know why Noah was after the Tartarus tech in Goug.

On the surface the present primal issue is bad enough but if he's keeping some kind of dimension-warping superweapon under wraps things are definitely going to get worse before they get better.

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I can come up with a theory for his idea.

Use the dimension-warping superweapon to suddenly teleport Queen Gunnhildr directly into the hearts of countries or the resistance base. BOOM, you have a large army almost instantaneously of devout followers believing in a unified world.

About the Bozja story:

Honestly I really wish that we would not see the traitor before they are revealed to our character. For me it would be really nice to really be surprised..and not knowing that our character is just walking into the next trap. Also funny how their explanation in how a queen is chosen is done to not have to show a female Hrothgar.

I really like the idea with getting more infomation about the NPCs with these notes. Sadly they did not give me a connection to them so when they got tempered I barely felt anything. It could be because I was so annoyed with cutscene!WoL...its fine when Mikoto has a weapon pressed against her throat..but later when she is kicked away? There is no reason for us to not draw weapon and just attack the roe lady. (And with so many people there..she would have no way to defend herself..)Especially when we are saved by a single gun shot from the random saviour that just totally came there at the right time. Why cant we do that? Why do we stand there like an idiot? Enemies getting what they want because the character acts like they forgot how to fight does not really feel like awesome story telling to me. (Its like us letting Gaius slowly walk his way to the Ultima weapon...)

Rest was fine and I am interested in some of our enemies. Not looking forward to more "dungeons" like the castrum to get the whole story.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

About the Bozja story:

Honestly I really wish that we would not see the traitor before they are revealed to our character. For me it would be really nice to really be surprised..and not knowing that our character is just walking into the next trap. Also funny how their explanation in how a queen is chosen is done to not have to show a female Hrothgar.

I really like the idea with getting more infomation about the NPCs with these notes. Sadly they did not give me a connection to them so when they got tempered I barely felt anything. It could be because I was so annoyed with cutscene!WoL...its fine when Mikoto has a weapon pressed against her throat..but later when she is kicked away? There is no reason for us to not draw weapon and just attack the roe lady. (And with so many people there..she would have no way to defend herself..)Especially when we are saved by a single gun shot from the random saviour that just totally came there at the right time. Why cant we do that? Why do we stand there like an idiot? Enemies getting what they want because the character acts like they forgot how to fight does not really feel like awesome story telling to me. (Its like us letting Gaius slowly walk his way to the Ultima weapon...)

Rest was fine and I am interested in some of our enemies. Not looking forward to more "dungeons" like the castrum to get the whole story.

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Because if the surprise comes out of the blue, we'll have more people complaining that it came out of the blue and doesn't fit the character. Story logic has to fit the means here.

The character's hesitation is meant to build suspense and give you a moment to have an emotional reaction. I can understand hating it because it doesn't follow real life logic, but this is a work of fiction and suspense of disbelief is paramount. Just remember its to enhance the story telling not take power away from your character.

Finally manage to beat Castrum and so here is my thoughts on Episode 2 of Save the Queen Storyline...

I feel as if we will not be defeating Gabranth this expansion.

This entire battle of Bozja is just one big distraction while Gabranth deals with something else far from this battle zone. The entire purpose of even having this "primal" placed into this Castrum is to help delay any progress to claim the Castrum as they have neither intention nor expectations to keep it under their control. They're just doing what they can to stall for time so the Bozja resistance won't make progress into Bozja and have foothold to finally setup a assault into Garlean territory anytime soon.

Even if we claim the location finally in Map 3, the current story hints that the story for Gabranth may not be finished until 6.X era storyline. If so i am assuming Save the Queen storyline may not be required to access but will still help better understand how X and Y character ended up in the 6.X Gabranth storyline along with extra dialogue options exclusive to players who played and completed 5.X Save the Queen Storyline.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

Because if the surprise comes out of the blue, we'll have more people complaining that it came out of the blue and doesn't fit the character. Story logic has to fit the means here.

The character's hesitation is meant to build suspense and give you a moment to have an emotional reaction. I can understand hating it because it doesn't follow real life logic, but this is a work of fiction and suspense of disbelief is paramount. Just remember its to enhance the story telling not take power away from your character.

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It does not have to come completely out of the blue. You can still give us some clues in the reacion of some characters. I mean seeing how people behaved towards her was a good reason to assume that she might be the traitor. I just dont find that it builds supsense, especially since I know that there will be a high chance that our character, bascially a near god right now, will just not react at all so that the plan can take place.

There are many ways to make us helpless too. Built up a real magical trap that binds us. Overwhelm us with numbers. Use a magical ability that will slow us down. Anything than just letting our character stand there, staring, while a machinist for example could just shoot rounds of bullets into her, before she can even reach anyone else. (Just like enemies or even friends that suddenly help us can do but of course not the main character) Tanks have gap closers, healers and BLM have sleep, summoners can use their egis and insta spells.

I mean why are we helping her? Why did we activate the crystal? Mikoto had no sword at ther throat..the crystal was not in the hand of the traitor anymore...yes she had a sword with she could use to slash people with but seeing how Mikoto later got hit by it but seemingly was quite fine I just dont understand how we did not simply run, or dash take the crystal while the rest attacks her..most of us there were soldiers, ready to give their lifes..why would we react so passive? And thanks to that Mikoto was fine but a whole bunch of other people got tempered and if the sudden visitor did not shot her, the rest would have been too..why? I just dont understand what she had over us at that point...

And I also dont understand that while we were in there (she had to be there too to grab the queen) the others did not at least surround her? And as soon as we all would be back they could have taken her down...Also why would taking her down while we are in there risk our lifes? We are the ones activating it and we are also the ones coming out of it on our own even with all the shadow in there.

It really took me out of it and destroyed the story for me. If she at least kept Mikoto with her the whole time...then I could understand that our character would hesitate (even if that still would have killed of all these other people in the end) but she was not in reach..heck she was far away that on of our friends could run to her, snatch her up and get her back to safety...

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Finally manage to beat Castrum and so here is my thoughts on Episode 2 of Save the Queen Storyline...

I feel as if we will not be defeating Gabranth this expansion.

This entire battle of Bozja is just one big distraction while Gabranth deals with something else far from this battle zone. The entire purpose of even having this "primal" placed into this Castrum is to help delay any progress to claim the Castrum as they have neither intention nor expectations to keep it under their control. They're just doing what they can to stall for time so the Bozja resistance won't make progress into Bozja and have foothold to finally setup a assault into Garlean territory anytime soon.

Even if we claim the location finally in Map 3, the current story hints that the story for Gabranth may not be finished until 6.X era storyline. If so i am assuming Save the Queen storyline may not be required to access but will still help better understand how X and Y character ended up in the 6.X Gabranth storyline along with extra dialogue options exclusive to players who played and completed 5.X Save the Queen Storyline.

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I've lost count, but this is our third Legion themed story arc now? We have Werlyt, Bozja, Zenos/Fandaniel. I wonder what they have planned going into 6.0? Going by the preview for 5.4 we visit Ishgard again, but that could be a red herring.