Character Creation Has A Race Problem

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Originally Posted by Joven

You can already play as characters with dark skin with any race in this game. You can already style a character to have distinct African features with certain races. How exactly are PoCs not being represented?

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Didn't really answer the question, but alright.

There isn't a whole lot of options for other races outside of Midlanders. The most I could do with miq'ote is maybe a rounde, but slightly flatter nose or a different chin. As for hairstyles, it's kinda embarrassing that there isn't much beyond dreads and the obviously jokey afro. You can't really do a whole lot.

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Playing around a bit, Roegadyns have some okay options. Still a little sparce, but nice.

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Originally Posted by Raou

Didn't really answer the question, but alright.

There isn't a whole lot of options for other races outside of Midlanders. The most I could do with miq'ote is maybe a rounde, but slightly flatter nose or a different chin. As for hairstyles, it's kinda embarrassing that there isn't much beyond dreads and the obviously jokey afro. You can't really do a whole lot.

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Playing around a bit, Roegadyns have some okay options. Still a little sparce, but nice.

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To directly answer the question: there isn't anyone against PoC representaion. That relpy was to illustrate that there IS already representation.

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Originally Posted by Joven

To directly answer the question: there isn't anyone against PoC representaion. That relpy was to illustrate that there IS representation.

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There is representation, there's just not a lot. That's the problem here.

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Originally Posted by Raou

There is representation, there's just not a lot. That's the problem here.

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So how much is enough? They could add and add and add all they want, but there will always be someone who complains that it's not enough. Who decides the limit at that point?

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Originally Posted by Joven

So how much is enough? They could add and add and add all they want, but there will always be someone who complains that it's not enough. Who decides the limit at that point?

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Careful you don't fall down that slippery slope there. Making it seem like this is some sort apocalypse level scenario.

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Originally Posted by Raou

Careful you don't fall down that slippery slope there. Making it seem like this is some sort apocalypse level scenario.

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Answer the question, though: how much is enough? When will people be satisfied with the level of representation? I mean, there are already people okay with just being able to have darker skin, if we want to work our way back up this "slippery slope."

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Answer the question, though: how much is enough? When will people be satisfied with the level of representation? I mean, there are already people okay with just being able to have darker skin, if we want to work our way back up this "slippery slope."

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Maybe more than a just a face/hair few options to make something closer to what people might want? Just spitballing here. Not like this hasn't been explained ad nauseam throughout this thread.

I don’t see why real life racial issues need to be brought into a game? How about base your characters on actual game lore instead of screaming about race? Hylander hyur is ala mhigan there for look at how highlander hyurs look based on lore it fits, midlander hyurs, same. Both aura tribes same thing. List goes on and on. It’s fantasy, with made up lore! I mean I play a toon with a more tan complection because I like how it looks not because it matches my IRL genetics. Your toon is not you it’s a made up character in a made up world with LIMITED character selection.

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Originally Posted by Raou

Maybe more than a just a face/hair few options to make something closer to what people might want? Just spitballing here. Not like this hasn't been explained ad nauseam throughout this thread.

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How much is "more than just a few"? Do they need an entire catalogue of PoC-approved hairstyles? Jawlines? Eye shapes? What about the people who will turn around and cry that their attempts to represent PoC are, themselves, racist because they don't get every last nuance of how a black face is *supposed* to be shaped with their limited pixel art?

Yes, there's a race problem alright. Where's my damn bunny people reveal?!?! ;(
I wanna know what they're gonna look like! They're the only race that will make me jump the goddess ship and I HOPE they're amazons that compare to the Fem Roe in height...


I don't really feel like getting into the RW race stuff here cause this is a Jpn company and we know they don't GAF.

What I WOULD like to encourage is discussions on types of hair styles that would benefit everyone who uses the CC. Cause the CC is limited ... that's a fact, it's limiting as heck and the least they can do is be more free with the hair styles.

(On a side note the Afro option is only a joke style because of a few things. 1- It's texture is so flat and noticeable. 2- It's the old 70s "prefect ball" style cut and yet they made it so that it noticeable jiggles a ton. There's tons of ways to depict a fine looking fro, so i hope we get more in the future)

Anyway, styles I'd like to see added for the hair...

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Braid buns!
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fd/a7/70/f...les-braids.jpg

http://napo.biz/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/26609.jpg

https://www.thetrendspotter.net/wp-c...ith-Braids.jpg

https://hairstylecamp.com/wp-content...9f7f5dff52.jpg

Pineapple Fro
http://www.lovely-hairstyles.com/wp-...-Hair-Puff.jpg

Better looking mohawks
https://hairstyleonpoint.com/wp-cont...kes-mohawk.jpg
https://hairstyleonpoint.com/wp-cont...y-mohawk-1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m_fVdClWFo...600/wtz_dc.jpg

Fluff in general
https://devoutfashion.com/wp-content...16/09/afro.jpg
http://www.koreanfashiononline.com/w...rstyles_29.jpg

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(Note that these are updoos, so no clipping to worry about! We need a good selection of updos IMO)