Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

At this point we're just running in circles over and over again. Same opinions, same accusations, same excuses. I hope the feedback gathering comes to an end and we get an official statement.

https://media.giphy.com/media/IVbbElnUUgmPe/giphy.gif

One thing they might take into consideration is that a lot of people like to fantasia. Some people fantasia quite frequently just for variety. New races are all shiny and new and will definitely be popular fantasia targets for a lot of people.

Therefore male Viera and female Hrothgar are technically profitable. Even if they cost extra resources, they could potentially consider it a worthwhile investment. It also gives that "we care about our fans" impression which is great advertisement.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

One thing they might take into consideration is that a lot of people like to fantasia. Some people fantasia quite frequently just for variety. New races are all shiny and new and will definitely be popular fantasia targets for a lot of people.

Therefore male Viera and female Hrothgar are technically profitable. Even if they cost extra resources, they could potentially consider it a worthwhile investment. It also gives that "we care about our fans" impression which is great advertisement.

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Yup and if they design them with the elezen body type but without its flaws, and of course with the unique Viera traits, it will likely prove to be a popular option, perhaps as popular or more so than catboys or midlanders even.

So I am now beginning to wonder how that feedback observation and response writing is progressing...

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Originally Posted by Roda

So I am now beginning to wonder how that feedback observation and response writing is progressing...

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Observation: "Oh god, some of them think we're sexist? Why? How?"

Response: TBA

They're still trying to process how they feel about people calling them sexist.

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Originally Posted by Roda

So I am now beginning to wonder how that feedback observation and response writing is progressing...

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I think... there is a chance that they will answer only after expansion release... Or maybe after benchmark release so after May.

Same here! I am anxiously following this topic, but I do really want them to take as much time as needed to look through all of our comments. I don't mind waiting for the male viera/female hrothgar as long as they give us a quality product.

Imagine if genderlocked races are april fools and we suddenly see the other genders on benchmark xD

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Originally Posted by Senn

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Like this post if you want male viera as a playable character

Please add male viera with Omega M's body type or the body type shown in these concept arts

https://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-con.../04/Viera1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Y3wu6e8.png

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I made an edit to the concept art
https://i.imgur.com/zZTNcxV.png
I made the shoulders less broad, the neck a tad bit shorter, and removed the fur.

I think this is a good body type for male viera
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn86dB1UwAATqwE.jpg
As long as the male viera are slim, and just a little bit shorter than the female viera, I think that would be cool. The female viera are pretty tall in general, so even if the males are a little shorter, they'd still look cool

https://i.imgur.com/dIOfl4Y.png

Check out this male viera and female hrothgar poll

If you guys have any male viera fanart you'd like to post in this thread, feel free to do so. Sharing art is a great way to show your support in a positive way.
I'm not a roleplayer, but if you guys created a character backstory about a male viera, you're welcome to post that, too.

Please make sure to share this thread with other people and remind them to leave a "like" on this post. Try to encourage your friends who don't really use the forums often, or who have not registered, to please do so and leave a like. Leaving the devs feedback is also really important. Share this thread on your twitter/facebook/whatever.

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I don't want a slender twink bunny man, I want them to actually resemble men. Please either offer a variety or make them look different compared to the slender female.

Hmm they can be twinks and resemble men, there are many men and all of them are different. Roegadyns resemble men as much as catboys

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Side note Why is it that male Viera gets this kinda flack and not female Hrothgar/Ronso? both threads are just asking for the other side of their respective coins but its the male Viera thread that gets the constant pushback against it

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Probably because we are the bigger thread and therefor the bigger target. But I also think it might be that some of these people correlate people who want a more feminine male to those who throw a fit over representation (and I am talking about the toxic stuff you often see on tumblr) and think they can get the rise they want out of us. In reality we are not that and just average joes that want male vieras. I also think that perhaps, some of these people are a tad uncomfortable with the aspect of having a less masculine male in this game.

I have been reading and informing myself and it seems like the press itself is angry with this decision (there are a lot of articles about players not being happy with genderlock), there are players everywhere wearing male bunny ears as a form of protest(on Zodiark at least) and I don't even want to begin to talk about the comments they recived on other social medias for the anouncement of genderlock, so I think that we are actually a majority who want male viera, and not the minority most people who don't want it seem to say we are:cool::cool::cool:

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

I think it was the fact you came into a support heavy thread with an opposing view gave no ideas why you don't support and what you prefer would be allocated to so you posts sorta gave across in 2 ways
1. I don't want you to have what you are asking for because i want those resources allocated for what i want instead it sounds petty
2. Pointless they really added nothing can't discuss much with you about why you think that can't gain any supporters for what you want just sorta there

I just take your post in this thread as yea ok moving on at this point and no i don't think you were being toxic just meh

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I think just having an opposing view is enough to draw negative attention. It really wouldn't have changed anything if I was more detailed in what I wanted specifically.
1. I'm just being realistic. Resources are finite and I'd rather have them put elsewhere. It's nothing personal, but if some people see it as petty, I guess it can't be helped.
2. Wasn't really meant to add much to the discussion (in fact I kinda wanted to avoid most of it). I just felt I had to pipe up and let SE know that not everyone wants male viera before they get the wrong impression that "everyone" wants this.

Why this thread? Honestly, it felt the most appropriate at the time. I didn't want to create another thread like this one but focused on being against male Viera because that just feels really troll.

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Basically #2 of what Crush said. You come into the thread and just drop down a statement and add nothing to it to back it up why it was said, and instead just go with "I don't feel like going into my reasons." Then why speak up at that point? It can be misconstrued as trying to start shit or act toxic towards those who just want to see a promise upheld from 2.0 and an eagerly awaited race gender.

Now I will admit that I may have jumped the gun there with claiming you were acting on intentions of toxicity, which I can see is not true and I do apologize.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I have been reading and informing myself and it seems like the press itself is angry with this decision (there are a lot of articles about players not being happy with genderlock), there are players everywhere wearing male bunny ears as a form of protest(on Zodiark at least) and I don't even want to begin to talk about the comments they recived on other social medias for the anouncement of genderlock, so I think that we are actually a majority who want male viera, and not the minority most people who don't want it seem to say we are:cool::cool::cool:

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Yeah, the anti-male Viera crowd are only throwing the phrase "vocal minority" around as a petty way to delegitimatize our opinion. They will call us a "vocal minority" no matter how untrue that is and then in the same breath say that "no one wants to see a bunch of male bunnies running around", implying there would be a ton of people changing to male Viera. So they can't even make up their minds on whether we are a so called "minority" or not. If anything, this thread has proven we are not a minority. They act like we're the ones being childish, and yes, a few pro-Viera people have been, but they want to pretend like most of us are. Really, I've seen most of the childish behavior coming from the anti-Viera side.

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Originally Posted by jake200135

Yeah, the anti-male Viera crowd are only throwing the phrase "vocal minority" around as a petty way to delegitimatize our opinion. They will call us a "vocal minority" no matter how untrue that is and then in the same breath say that "no one wants to see a bunch of male bunnies running around", implying there would be a ton of people changing to male Viera. So they can't even make up their minds on whether we are a so called "minority" or not. If anything, this thread has proven we are not a minority. They act like we're the ones being childish, and yes, a few pro-Viera people have been, but they want to pretend like most of us are. Really, I've seen most of the childish behavior coming from the anti-Viera side.

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In fact, I have never seen any subject get more attention than this. Its quite clear we want genderock removed as soon as possible. Let's not discard the possibility that (coming from a person who has worked in game development) there is plenty of time to remove at least one of the genderlocks before launch, but they would have to be fast, work hard and really smart, so maybe they remove the genderlock on one of the races (probably the most requested one) and thenn in a later patch (such as 5.1 or 5.2) they remove the remaining genderlock

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Originally Posted by jake200135

Yeah, the anti-male Viera crowd are only throwing the phrase "vocal minority" around as a petty way to delegitimatize our opinion. They will call us a "vocal minority" no matter how untrue that is and then in the same breath say that "no one wants to see a bunch of male bunnies running around", implying there would be a ton of people changing to male Viera. So they can't even make up their minds on whether we are a so called "minority" or not. If anything, this thread has proven we are not a minority. They act like we're the ones being childish, and yes, a few pro-Viera people have been, but they want to pretend like most of us are. Really, I've seen most of the childish behavior coming from the anti-Viera side.

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They're pulling that of a certain somewhere. Or the usual "but the JP crowd isn't so bothered about this." I'm not sure if that's true or not, but what does it even matter? The NA/EU playerbase is substantial - is it hard to believe that a highly anticipated race's male sex option would not be desired by at least a substantial enough minority (=$$$) for SE to rise up and take notice?

Also I really hope they make an official statement this week. It is getting quite annoying that they seem to have taken 6 days to write a letter saying: there will be genderlock removal:confused:

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Originally Posted by Lauront

They're pulling that of a certain somewhere. Or the usual "but the JP crowd isn't so bothered about this." I'm not sure if that's true or not, but what does it even matter? The NA/EU playerbase is substantial - is it hard to believe that a highly anticipated race's male sex option would not be desired by at least a substantial enough minority (=$$$) for SE to rise up and take notice?

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You know I am also tired of the argument of 'but the JP crowd' so what! If this doesn't bug them, then okay cool they have different standards. But these threads exist in the JP threads and I have a few friends that know Japanese that have stated there is a strong sense of disappointment. And that's another problem with the whole anti-Viera crowd who are trying to use the JP audience as a crutch to stand on. They show their disappointment different from us! But even then, NA and EU most likely bring in just as much as JP if not more subs at this point. So Square Enix cannot just sweep us under the rug as we are just a noisy group of players. What, because we don't freaking originate from Japan we suddenly have a less of a say on a game that we love and support? Screw that!

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Originally Posted by Lauront

"but the JP crowd isn't so bothered about this."

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Nonsese, to be honest. They look only at the fact that they have only one thread on forum and it's 13 pages which is "meh" for them I suppose. Meanwhile, JP forum isn't very active overall and their section is 5 time smaller than EN (DE and FR are nearly dead). So, looking at how much they usually write and how much likes posts there usually have I can say that JP community is bothered. But there is no any fights, they are calm and polite.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Also I really hope they make an official statement this week. It is getting quite annoying that they seem to have taken 6 days to write a letter saying: there will be genderlock removal:confused:

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I personally would be dissatisfied with such a general announcement, and they would be wrong to release it without more details like at least a time frame. As Yoshida said and we're all aware of it, it's a massive undertaking. They'd need to allocate resources, be it from the team itself or backups SE would allocate, and those things take time to plan out internally, all the more so if they truly will receive outside help. And to get that, it means they need to properly put together all the feedback, all the data from people who already cancelled their preorders and their subscriptions, so they can come to SE higherups and say "look, this is already costing us money, help us fight this".

I should hope we'll get a statement along those lines during April, certainly before ShB itself is released. It would make sense for them to do so because then they can still enjoy some extra orders, be it from people rebuying it or just people who waited until after the Fanfests and now would think it's 'safe' enough to buy.
But anything less than that would be irresponsible of them.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Nonsese, to be honest. They look only at the fact that they have only one thread on forum and it's 13 pages which is "meh" for them I suppose. Meanwhile, JP forum isn't very active overall and their section is 5 time smaller than EN (DE and FR are nearly dead). So, looking at how much they usually write and how much likes posts there usually have I can say that JP community is bothered. But there is no any fights, they are calm and polite.

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Agreed. I think it's just an effort to divide the community and try make the EU/NA playerbase seem hysterical or entitled.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I personally would be dissatisfied with such a general announcement, and they would be wrong to release it without more details like at least a time frame. As Yoshida said and we're all aware of it, it's a massive undertaking. They'd need to allocate resources, be it from the team itself or backups SE would allocate, and those things take time to plan out internally, all the more so if they truly will receive outside help. And to get that, it means they need to properly put together all the feedback, all the data from people who already cancelled their preorders and their subscriptions, so they can come to SE higherups and say "look, this is already costing us money, help us fight this".

I should hope we'll get a statement along those lines during April, certainly before ShB itself is released. It would make sense for them to do so because then they can still enjoy some extra orders, be it from people rebuying it or just people who waited until after the Fanfests and now would think it's 'safe' enough to buy.
But anything less than that would be irresponsible of them.

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I think you are right. Maybe they are getting help and if they let time run a bit more, more people unsubscribe and such, they might get enough help so they can remove genderlock before launch (SE has enough employees to do it if they want to). Thanks for pointing it out to me! ^^

I finally made a forum account because of the way the new races shook out, so I could voice my support for seeing Male Viera and Female Hrothgar added to the game.

I really enjoy FFXIV, but the announcement of adding gender-locked races did disappoint me and put a damper on my excitement for Shadow Bringers since I was looking forward to seeing Viera added and finally seeing Male Viera.

I appreciate Yoshi P taking the time to explain their reasoning further behind the race choices after Tokyo Fan Fest, and I can understand the reasons he laid out in Mr. Happy's interview much better than the lore reason he mentioned on stage. Lore-wise we shouldn't have Female Viera either since it's forbidden to leave the forest. But the Viera lore for FFXIV was written to reflect the fact that cultures change, individuals make choices against their culture, the youth make different choices than their parents and grandparents, and the Warrior of Light is a unique individual to whom regular conventions don't apply. I don't see any reason lore would prevent Male Viera from being playable, there are so many wonderful stories that could be told to explain why they've finally come out of the shadows.

So I really hope they add them, and Female Hrothgar, down the road. It's not realistic to expect them to be in at Shadow Bringer's launch, and I wouldn't want to rush the Devs like that anyways. But I hope come 6.0 they get added. The devs work hard, I don't mind being patient :)

Hey there! I had never posted here and I can't read all that because of time ;A; but a a lot of people told me to post my male viera explorations I did just for fun in here! :) hope y'all like it!

https://i.redd.it/o9g3n74n8vo21.jpg

https://i.redd.it/j2wjnbqxx9p21.jpg

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Some art I stumbled upon on reddit:

http://i68.tinypic.com/mtupsk.jpg

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Originally Posted by Elithmoon

Hey there! I had never posted here and I can't read all that because of time ;A; but a a lot of people told me to post my male viera explorations I did just for fun in here! :) hope y'all like it!

https://i.redd.it/o9g3n74n8vo21.jpg

https://i.redd.it/j2wjnbqxx9p21.jpg

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Love them especially the 1st one and bottom one of the 4 <3

It is nice art, but I like the one in the upper half of the picture best.

I'm personally hoping Viera look like this art work by FrischeNq! So much so, I made it my signature!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyegp4vVAAAI_kz.png

Elezen are just so stiff, their rectangular shaped bodies don't look very good and make alot of gear look meh imo. They are like... Long Midlanders and their Faces are pointed and not nearly as strong as I would like! Also they have necks for days! Really to me the only similarity between Elezen and Viera would be that they are tall!

I would love for them to be more athletic and masculine looking then Elezen, more elegant!

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Hey there! I had never posted here and I can't read all that because of time ;A; but a a lot of people told me to post my male viera explorations I did just for fun in here! :) hope y'all like it!

https://i.redd.it/o9g3n74n8vo21.jpg

https://i.redd.it/j2wjnbqxx9p21.jpg

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OMFG I love their damn faces!! I love that they have more rabbit like noses in the second picture. I'm also loving the chest and shoulder tufts on two of them.

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Originally Posted by jake200135

I'm also loving the chest and shoulder tufts on two of them.

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Personally, I really don't like the chest hair. I have a feeling SE is going to add male viera with the fur, though. If they do, I really hope there's an option to remove it completely, or a slider to at least minimize it.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Went to sleep shortly after posting that, yes SE has decided to stagger content to try and keep people subbed for longer whether it worked only they know, i just made that list to point out that SB gave more content than HW fact, nothing in SB was 100% recycled there was always new resources going into everything. it is just up to individuals if it was worth what was lost.



They are probably going to take a bit more time looking at feedback (got to be translated as well) so i am willing to wait longer for a response, the longest i'm willing to wait though is until 5.1 by this time if they haven't made a decision it ain't happening in 6.0 and i would like to know why at that stage.



So your upset that people are being upset over something you ain't upset about rather than the things you think people should be upset about, that is subjective to you i'm afraid. People can voice their opinions on anything they want it just happens this is the topic that has seen the most traction by the community. So calm down the devs do not have to cater to anything the community asks it does not harm you that people are voicing concerns on the decision to gender lock and are trying to support unlocking them, ultimately it is up to the devs, we can be grouchy if they decide not to do them but it isn't the end of ffxiv and people would eventually move on and tbh i completely forgot blitzball was even on the table XD I like Pyros/Hydatos in Eureka and never watched JoJo, also i see Hrothgar as a beastly race that doesn't interest me atm but i would not go around saying it was wasted development time nor would i say asking for females is a waste.

Side note Why is it that male Viera gets this kinda flack and not female Hrothgar/Ronso? both threads are just asking for the other side of their respective coins but its the male Viera thread that gets the constant pushback against it

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Again didnt even care or read what i said. Care about old content. I love how people are ungrateful no matter what they get. Its understandable that you want male viera. I actually want it too, but whining and calling SE Homophobic is not the answer. LOL it makes me laugh even more and make it not happen because of people acting like clowns and responding that way. I Hope it never happens because when people go SJW I just dont care anymore even if it means I lose out on seeing adorable bunny bishonens. They do indeed cater to people otherwise we wouldnt even have goddamn same sex marriage in the first place. Do no one remember the Pride Parades when it was finally announced and released? I even joined because my cousin is gay and I love him, Im proud of him and Ill always stand by his side, but calling people homophobic and being spiteful because of a decision you were never entitled to in the first place is stupid. No what we are entitled to is GOOD content for gameplay, like Blitzball and not toxic instances like Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Personally, I really don't like the chest hair. I have a feeling SE is going to add male viera with the fur, though. If they do, I really hope there's an option to remove it completely, or a slider to at least minimize it.

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I kinda agree. I like it, but I would want it to be optional. Maybe they can have a chest tuft slider, but also with a yes/no option right above it.

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Originally Posted by Elithmoon

Hey there! I had never posted here and I can't read all that because of time ;A; but a a lot of people told me to post my male viera explorations I did just for fun in here! :) hope y'all like it!

https://i.redd.it/o9g3n74n8vo21.jpg

https://i.redd.it/j2wjnbqxx9p21.jpg

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I am SO GLAD YOU DID OH MY GOODNESS. In the second image all those faces are marvelous. The bottom middle is my absolute favorite. White, flowing viera hair in luxurious dreads and braids? SIGN ME THE F*CK UP. The middle top one looks young, the one on the right a more mature viera. The left one is also pleasantly beastly and that'd make them look SO unique!!

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Originally Posted by Elithmoon

Hey there! I had never posted here and I can't read all that because of time ;A; but a a lot of people told me to post my male viera explorations I did just for fun in here! :) hope y'all like it!

https://i.redd.it/o9g3n74n8vo21.jpg

https://i.redd.it/j2wjnbqxx9p21.jpg

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First art is just brillian! *_* He's sooooo handsome.

Options on 2nd are interesting and unique! I like top and left one.

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Originally Posted by Empress

Again didnt even care or read what i said. Care about old content. I love how people are ungrateful no matter what they get. Its understandable that you want male viera. I actually want it too, but whining and calling SE Homophobic is not the answer. LOL it makes me laugh even more and make it not happen because of people acting like clowns and responding that way. I Hope it never happens because when people go SJW I just dont care anymore even if it means I lose out on seeing adorable bunny bishonens. They do indeed cater to people otherwise we wouldnt even have goddamn same sex marriage in the first place. Do no one remember the Pride Parades when it was finally announced and released? I even joined because my cousin is gay and I love him, Im proud of him and Ill always stand by his side, but calling people homophobic and being spiteful because of a decision you were never entitled to in the first place is stupid. No what we are entitled to is GOOD content for gameplay, like Blitzball and not toxic instances like Eureka.

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Er, you’re probably in the wrong thread bud, literally no one typing in here is bringing up homophobia.

I’d recommend you to go back and read it through, and then return. Most of us in here have practically called the claims of sexism and homophobia ridiculous.
You’re just jumping in here and pinning opinions on us when we’re literally just discussing male Viera, designs and our feedback for Yoshi and co.

I have never been let down by XIV until now. I was planning on playing the entire ex-pac as Male Viera and the disappointing truth is now I can't because Square got cold feet. Lore is the weakest excuse to hide behind that they could possibly have used. Please, please, PLEASE make Males happen!

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Again didnt even care or read what i said. Care about old content. I love how people are ungrateful no matter what they get. Its understandable that you want male viera. I actually want it too, but whining and calling SE Homophobic is not the answer. LOL it makes me laugh even more and make it not happen because of people acting like clowns and responding that way. I Hope it never happens because when people go SJW I just dont care anymore even if it means I lose out on seeing adorable bunny bishonens. They do indeed cater to people otherwise we wouldnt even have goddamn same sex marriage in the first place. Do no one remember the Pride Parades when it was finally announced and released? I even joined because my cousin is gay and I love him, Im proud of him and Ill always stand by his side, but calling people homophobic and being spiteful because of a decision you were never entitled to in the first place is stupid. No what we are entitled to is GOOD content for gameplay, like Blitzball and not toxic instances like Eureka.

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Hey guys remember a page ago when I said the anti-Viera crowd thinks we're a bunch of tumblr-ites shrieking for representation and I guess now homophobia when we aren't in this thread. That didn't took long to prove my point. So okay, you come into a mostly positive thread and then say you hope we don't get something because you assume we are claiming it for SJW reasons. Your kinda cutting yourself from the same cloth, methinks.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

First art is just brillian! *_* He's sooooo handsome.

Options on 2nd are interesting and unique! I like top and left one.

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These look so fun! I live the 1st one.

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Originally Posted by Empress

Again didnt even care or read what i said. Care about old content. I love how people are ungrateful no matter what they get. Its understandable that you want male viera. I actually want it too, but whining and calling SE Homophobic is not the answer. LOL it makes me laugh even more and make it not happen because of people acting like clowns and responding that way. I Hope it never happens because when people go SJW I just dont care anymore even if it means I lose out on seeing adorable bunny bishonens. They do indeed cater to people otherwise we wouldnt even have goddamn same sex marriage in the first place. Do no one remember the Pride Parades when it was finally announced and released? I even joined because my cousin is gay and I love him, Im proud of him and Ill always stand by his side, but calling people homophobic and being spiteful because of a decision you were never entitled to in the first place is stupid. No what we are entitled to is GOOD content for gameplay, like Blitzball and not toxic instances like Eureka.

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ok so alot to unpack here
1. I have never EVER called the devs homophobic or sexist DO NOT LUMP ME WITH PEOPLE WHO DO TY so don't bring it up in a reply to me as well ty
2. Its impossible to please everyone period you hate Eureka i like Pyros/Hydatos so why are you allowed to voice when you don't like something(Eureka) but i can't (Gender locks on Viera AND Hrothgar)
3. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO HAVE BLITZBALL AND YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO TAKE AWAY CONTENT NOR ARE YOU ENTITLED TO DEMAND CONTENT NOT BE WORKED ON
4. you just made me go Yzma
https://media3.giphy.com/media/Kgm2E...6257577770b9e5

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Originally Posted by Elithmoon

Hey there! I had never posted here and I can't read all that because of time ;A; but a a lot of people told me to post my male viera explorations I did just for fun in here! :) hope y'all like it!

https://i.redd.it/o9g3n74n8vo21.jpg

https://i.redd.it/j2wjnbqxx9p21.jpg

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Those are wonderful!