i'm not the one in the video lol, besides i have seen plenty of fail pld tanks out there which i don't understand due to their low skill cap. my GF is a healer btw and she is always wanting me to tank that much more when she constantly gets kills due to PLD not keeping hate. if you want an opinion from someone that is alot more expirenced than i though then here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YzzZ99AoMUQuote:
Originally Posted by hola
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09-26-2013, 10:21 AMStonie
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09-26-2013, 10:21 AMRios-Drakoon
yo Stonie,
Titan will kisss you with normalo hit 1000-2500, and sometimes a big hug for 4500.
then you realise that Bloodbath, SormsPath and IB are just a bad joke.
Paladin have (beside 20% dmg reduce from Shield Stance) 20%/40%/100%/ dmg reduce and 60% block increase (block = 20-24% dmg reduce)
Then you will feel it, you will see it and you will understand it, that Warrios means always more work for healer, and noone likes extrawork. -
09-26-2013, 10:37 AMzsedcVideo was posted on 15th August before beta phase 4Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonie
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09-26-2013, 10:55 AMStonie
and what is the block rate exactly by percentage? cuz parry does about the same for me, which i know pld do too but. unless you are blocking like 50% of the time it seems rather negligible to me. hell even with 50% block rate that doesn't garentee anything, meanwhile you have less hp and no self heals to help. and i mean block without the buffs that run on a CD, which leaves you with shield oath which drops dps, at least deifiance has means to get that % of dam back which is needed for leeching. and oh ya 3 minute cool downs on most the moves that bring up your defence and block rate how is that very useful again?
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09-26-2013, 11:02 AMRios-Drakoon
omg..
Parry = Block thats right, but we cant increase our parry rate, the Paladin can.
u miss the Point, i try to explain again... sorry for my english, maybe thats the reason..
PALADIN = Tank who reduce incoming dmg with 20%/40%/100% dmg reduction abilities and his +60% Blockchance
WARRIOR = Tank who conter incoming dmg with selfheal form Bloodbath, StormsPath, IB
THATS how it should work.
The Thing is just OUR SELFHEAL SUCKS BAD!!!!!
Do you really think a Boss who hits you with 1000-2500 and sometimes 4500, you can conter the dmg with Bloodbath/StormsPath/IB?
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09-26-2013, 11:05 AMStonieya but they also made both PLD and WAR abilities alot stronger when they updated, as with most the classesQuote:
Originally Posted by zsedc
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09-26-2013, 11:07 AMRios-DrakoonQuote:
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get up to lvl 50, grab your gear and go Titan HM, and see for yourself, then maybee you will understand that Warrior are just second class half backed Tanks. -
09-26-2013, 11:15 AMStonie
i'll do just that too. btw did i mention i normal squeeze around 1k+ health with bloodbath when i buff it up everytime, which i get every 90 seconds(not 180 seconds), not to mention i always get a inner beast in at the end of those buffs, which i've seen cure me for 1500 on it's own. then every 120 seconds(again not 180 seconds) i get my defence and selfheals together, which heals me for around 1500 and gives me extra defence and healing. i know the defence boost don't amount to what the PLD gets but i also bored the hell out my girl whom rarly gets the chance to cure me.
i'm tired of hearing that PLD can block 100% when that id dependent on a flipping 180 second CD, it's a silly arguement, without the buffs shield blocks do what, 20%+ mitigate which is about the same as parry. without the buffs it still blocks more but i'm talking getting. look at it this way, when i do maim+berserk+unchained+bloodbath+internal release, i get about 1k+ over all off it on adverage thanks the my high crit rate i already have. even with i donn't have unchained up i still get around 700 on adverage, so 1000+700+700 in the time a PLDs main CD buffs take to get back, so far that is 2400. my inner beast i get at the end normally heals me for 1.2k with unchained and 1.5k if it crits, then without unchained it's more like 1k and 1.3k with crit, i get this at the end of my buffs everytime, so add 2400+1200+1000+1000, thats 4600 hp just off of leeches. i'm not getting into storms path atm cuz frankly idk how many times i hit with it in mid battle, normally once on every 3 rotations, just cuz my other combo does the hate and the damage i just do SP after maim to keep the 20% dam increase. then when i do thrill of the battle(which will cure me alot harder when i get my hp to 7k) +second wind + foresight+ convalescence, that gives me 1500 every two minutes, so in 3 minutes i have hte potential to heal myself for 6100 HP. now lets make that 6 minutes cuz that is around how long boss fights have lasted me, i'd get 3 of the TotB+second wind in that time, which in 6 minutes time would make it around 9200+4500, so in 6 minutes time i could have cured myself with around 13,700 hp. which i'm going to say 14k+ since i didn't get into storms path which i know in 6 minutes time i'd have healed from that for well over 300 hp. and oh ya since i'm only lv 48 this number is just going to get bigger btw. -
09-26-2013, 11:45 AMRios-Drakoon
Bloodbath heals you about 1000? in what? 30sec Duration? sweeeet, just to bad that Titan HM in 30sec hugs you about 20'000dmg more or less.
Again, Warrior is great for low Dungeons and also ok for lvl50 Dungeons like Amdapor Keep and Palace, Ifrit is also easy going, behind that, you will be shocked.
Alot People who are lvl 50, who feels and see the gap between Warrior and Paladin told you how it is, but you still say "Warrior are great"... you will see, -
09-26-2013, 12:47 PMTheWitcher
His statments are laughable at best "our devs are strong with marauder", "WARs can show off better" what does any of that have to do with the fact WAR's are useless tanks and overshadowed by PLDs? he really is clueless about the battle system balance, most classes have very big balance problems including other Melee dps and even WHM is much better than Scholar