SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

well idk if I want to play anymore...

all jobs getting buff and ours gets this crap??

can t believe they are taking away thunder and replacing it with nothing.

I know this is little consolation since it's not going to be useful, but I think people are missing that Blizzard II is cross classed now (and nerfed).
It obviously not a good replacement, but they *did* take away one BLM damage ability and give another.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

I know this is little consolation since it's not going to be useful, but I think people are missing that Blizzard II is cross classed now (and nerfed).
It obviously not a good replacement, but they *did* take away one BLM damage ability and give another.

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oh boy! Arcanist/summoner is good at Fates now! yipeeeeeeee -_-

Summoner got destroyed in this patch with removing thunder that was 10-15% of our damage and it got replaced with blizzard 2 which does nothing. I could forgive the poor design of the egi system but buffing every other class and nerfing the Summoner is going to make Summoner's weaker and less desirable.
Square you could've done anything for Summoner's like revamping the poorly designed Egi-System giving us Mini Primals or Espers since the current Egi-System has a major flaw that makes only Garuda viable once unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Summoner got destroyed in this patch with removing thunder that was 10-15% of our damage and it got replaced with blizzard 2 which does nothing. I could forgive the poor design of the egi system but buffing every other class and nerfing the Summoner is going to make Summoner's weaker and less desirable.
Square you could've done anything for Summoner's like revamping the poorly designed Egi-System giving us Mini Primals or Espers since the current Egi-System has a major flaw that makes only Garuda viable once unlocked.

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I don't even give the slightest **** about how they look. I'm more miffed that titan and ifrit are still useless at endgame. Garuda's 450 acc cap WITHOUT food

My post from: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Thunder/page2

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Originally Posted by Kevee

I'm going to be fair and say we did need our numbers adjusted. We also have major game-breaking issues that need to be addressed, and weren't.

I will say they WENT AFTER IT THE WRONG WAY.

-Sustain costing MP. We already have MP problems.
-Change to Allagan Boots. Why would you change the piece TWO CLASSES have access to, instead of changing the AF2?
-Loss of Thunder. We now don't even have 5 useful cross-class skills. Now we can use Ruin more! How fun! This by itself is a ~10% loss in DPS, and a massive reduction in how active the class/job is.


Things that need to be fixed:
-Pets get no benefit from food.
-Pets get no benefit from passive party buffs based on job/class.
-Ifrit is useless.
-Titan is useless, except for soloing.
-Titan/Ifrit suffer from a skill bug where it has a 4s CD instead of 3s for their main attacks.
-PET RESPONSIVENESS
-Pets have a MUCH HIGHER accuracy cap than the player.

Anything else I forgot? I can't think at the moment. Ugh.

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I honestly did not see any BLM buff, all I saw is Bliz II being halved and our allagan boots being trashed :(. Freeze by design is pure garbage and the DMG increase does not make it part of any rotation, so it was useless and still useless. There is also the expected ninja nerf to BLM ticks, so we will see how it goes.

I also fully agree with kevee post. This is just the wrong way to nerf SMN.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

My post from: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Thunder/page2

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I hear you man :/ Will you still be maining SMN and hoping it isn't as bad as it looks or will you be changing it up?

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

I honestly did not see any BLM buff, all I saw is Bliz II being halved and our allagan boots being trashed :(. Freeze by design is pure garbage and the DMG increase does not make it part of any rotation, so it was useless and still useless. There is also the expected ninja nerf to BLM ticks, so we will see how it goes.

I also fully agree with kevee post. This is just the wrong way to nerf SMN.

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Blizz II was used as part of some AoE rotations. As far as Freeze, it was never suppose to be used for DPS. It's main utility is being a ranged and targetable Bind (now with more DMG).

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

I honestly did not see any BLM buff, all I saw is Bliz II being halved and our allagan boots being trashed :(. Freeze by design is pure garbage and the DMG increase does not make it part of any rotation, so it was useless and still useless. There is also the expected ninja nerf to BLM ticks, so we will see how it goes.

I also fully agree with kevee post. This is just the wrong way to nerf SMN.

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Your Allagan boots may be "trashed,*" but your AF2 has the same stats. We have no such option.

*It's arguable that the new Allagan boots would be better/BiS for BLM.