They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

they like to talk alot about stuff they know nothing about =p

Grasping at any reason, with lack of knowledge they cant even form a good reason. I can help them out and list about 3 really strong reasons bc well.... im informed :| but ill let them figure that out.



This is what happens when you keep knowledge from yourself on how stuff works, you know a wheel turns but you dont know why. So when it breaks you cant fix it

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That's not it, meters have been since Vanilla

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Yes, and I have spoken to many a Vanilla player that says the parsers made the game worse for many.

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and the game continued to grow all the way into Wrath.

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That spawned Gearscore, to this day one of the most reviled systems ever introduced. Bad choice.

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If anything, the game is losing people due to game design and the dumb ideas that come from the lead designers

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Many I have spoken to who quit WOW cite multiple instances of vile, almost obscene language enabled by parser use.

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SE makes the game with DPS checks in mind which means that it requires you to optimize to some degree. Does that not foster environment then? By your logic they should get rid of savage, extreme trials, and ultimate.

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Yes they do. And as has been stated, those encounters can and HAVE been cleared WITHOUT dps meters. The vast majority of console players dont use dps meters...and they have done it all incl Ultimate...so by reflection, your argument falls flat.

Have you done it though?

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

Have you done it though?

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his sisters cousins mothers friends daughters imaginary roomate did, thats good enuff for him =p

BUT were they done while they were current?

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

Nah, I disagree with this. Many players quit wow because the quality of the game's story and gameplay took a huge dive. Honestly, your bringing up parsing being the reason for the downfall of wow is the first time I've ever heard that.

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I didnt say it was the sole factor, I never said that at all. i said it fostered toxic behaviour. It enables that kind of attitude. It was not the sole factor by any means, but you name me ONE person, just one, who would tolerate that kind of behaviour and language in public.

People may scream abuse, threats, use obscenities in game...but put that same person face to face with the person they want to abuse, I can 100% gaurantee they wont DARE. When you face real consequences for your actions, you tend to not behave in that manner.

Under some circumstances, screaming obscenities and abuse at someone in public results in a set of handcuffs and a jail cell.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yes, and I have spoken to many a Vanilla player that says the parsers made the game worse for many.



That spawned Gearscore, to this day one of the most reviled systems ever introduced. Bad choice.



Many I have spoken to who quit WOW cite multiple instances of vile, almost obscene language enabled by parser use.



Yes they do. And as has been stated, those encounters can and HAVE been cleared WITHOUT dps meters. The vast majority of console players dont use dps meters...and they have done it all incl Ultimate...so by reflection, your argument falls flat.

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Anecdotal. Never heard these reasonings.

Gonna run out of popcorn with all of this back-and-forth.. But I feel I've noticed two very clear things.

The pro-meter crowd want it because of a variety of reasons, the most down-to-earth being "self improvement". Others saying its to justify publicly shaming people for not performing to their standards. The former is fine, the latter works against the request, as you give SE reason to continue saying No.

The anti-meter crowd don't want it because it could cause things to get worse, citing other mmos and their handling of said systems as evidence. While some are indeed correct with its public shaming getting out of hand, there are others that have done it well. I cannot personally come up with any names at present, but I imagine at least ONE exists.

All the while, I cannot help but muster the fact that XIV players (PC specifically) are requesting a DPS meter to be better.. meaning that Console Players who don't call for anything and just play the game are at a higher skill than PC players. (Entirely an assumption, but amusing none the less, what with the 'bruised ego' jabs people have made)

That must sting..

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I didnt say it was the sole factor, I never said that at all. i said it fostered toxic behaviour. It enables that kind of attitude. It was not the sole factor by any means, but you name me ONE person, just one, who would tolerate that kind of behaviour and language in public.

People may scream abuse, threats, use obscenities in game...but put that same person face to face with the person they want to abuse, I can 100% gaurantee they wont DARE. When you face real consequences for your actions, you tend to not behave in that manner.

Under some circumstances, screaming obscenities and abuse at someone in public results in a set of handcuffs and a jail cell.

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Who hurt you fam?

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yes, and I have spoken to many a Vanilla player that says the parsers made the game worse for many.

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Sorry man, but I just don't believe this.