Can you please Ease Up on Atma now?

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

Working toward implies progression is obvious to the player

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But it is obvious, you know you've made progress when you get a new Atma.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

It is unfair that one player can get the atma within 1/100th the time and effort put in by another player.

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The only way to make everything fair would be to homogenize things greatly. Life isn't fair either.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

Therefore your arguments are completely offpoint and not relevant to the topic of ATMA.

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But they are relevant, because by addressing everything, I am also addressing Atma. It's also obvious if you've read the forums that people are asking for other parts of Relic to be made easier, as well as a multitude of other pieces of content in the game.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

I'm sick of reading their ignorance tbh.

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Name-calling isn't the way to make your stance more appealing.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Sure, go ahead, remove the Atma stage entirely. I doubt many people would shed a tear, but many would definitely rejoice.

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I don't think you can rightfully claim to speak for the majority of the community. Most people playing the game don't even bother with the forums.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

People don't play MMORPGs to be subject to nothing but RNG.

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You seem to be neglecting the RPG part of MMORPG. RNG is deeply rooted in RPG tradition, and RNG is not always a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Relic an optional thing, but, really, everything can be called optional

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Exactly, so why don't you do the content that appeals to you and get your equivalent reward, rather than trying to force content that is directed at another demographic to appeal to your personal desires?

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Originally Posted by Riepah

It's a game.

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Exactly, so why are you so upset that you can't get a virtual item as easily as some other people might have?

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Atma is "content" that virtually nobody enjoys and virtually everyone hates. If it's universally hated, not wanting things to "be made easier" is not enough of a justification to keep it the way it is.

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Again, please speak for yourself. Nobody can rightfully speak for the majority of the community.

I agree with this suggestion. To all of you calling bs on those that haven't gotten it i get some people may be bs'ing but for me i'm at 800 fates just doing atmas and I'm at 6... today alone i spent 6 hours with not one atma.
I like a grind, i like the challenge. but atma farming isn't a grind. there rest of the relic line you have something to grind to and know that if you put in the time then you will finish. with atma's there's no garentee that if i put in the time i will get anything.
if they made the change to put a cap on it so that there was an achievement for 75 atmas in x area with relic zodiac equipped and make the reward that atma then i could live with that... it will still take alot of time but i would know that at the end i got the atma.

to these people that are saying i got in 5 hours and then there are people that have spent over a 100 hours since atma was released and don't have it yet. it just proves the system is broken not that these people aren't trying.

Myth is now obtainable in more ways; Relevant to Pre-relic, Zenith and Animus.
Alexandrite can now be obtained in more ways; Relevant to Novus.

However, this thread is relevant to a single stage, that being ATMA, and you cannot get beyond Zenith if ATMA remains almost unattainable by a good number of players.

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Originally Posted by EllPii

None of the Relic steps have been changed thus far, it's unlikely that they will change it now, no matter much you ask for it.
People that can't get Atmas from fates are in the minority.

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i have to say that yes they have... they increased how easy it was to get myth to make buying the animus book easy thats a nerf. they increased the drop rate of the animus fates thats a nerf.

and the people without atmas are not a minority as this forum and others like it prove.

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Originally Posted by Amused

But it is obvious, you know you've made progress when you get a new Atma.

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No, as getting 1 atma one week and a second months later is not a sign of progress. It is a sign of chorish filler.

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The only way to make everything fair would be to homogenize things greatly. Life isn't fair either.

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Society makes efforts to bring everyone equal justice (it has more work to do obviously).

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But they are relevant, because by addressing everything, I am also addressing Atma. It's also obvious if you've read the forums that people are asking for other parts of Relic to be made easier, as well as a multitude of other pieces of content in the game.

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Not in this thread they aren't, take your 'justice' elsewhere.

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Name-calling isn't the way to make your stance more appealing.

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Sorry for not being a politically correct nobody, but i don't care if you are offended for being called ignorant when you choose to ignore (hence calling out the ignorant) relevant and exceedingly frustrated players and their pleas to fight for your own percieved ideal of justice that is entirely out of context with this thread.

Maybe being capable of inflection and understanding what others have gone through will adjust your perception, but until then your ignorance is shown through in vibrant shades of black and white (which isn't how the world should be seen)

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

ATMA remains almost unattainable by a good number of players.

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[citation needed]

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Originally Posted by Amused

[citation needed]

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READ THE DAMN THREAD.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

READ THE DAMN THREAD.

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One thread on the forums is not indicative of the majority of the community.

Also, the fact that people here keep citing that other parts have been nerfed as reasoning for why they should nerf Atma only reinforces the point I was trying to make in the first place. Why does everything have to be nerfed?

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

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Myth being obtainable in more ways is not for the Relic. It's linear game progression where naturally more content brings more ways to obtain Myths, this is mutually exclusive to the Relic where it just so happens Relic benefits from it.
Alexandrite being obtainable in more ways was already stated before Novus was released. It was completely intentional.

Atma however, nothing about Atma.

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Originally Posted by Sansuna

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Okay, out of 2.5million players. Realistically, what? 1million players, and maybe a handful of players complaining about atma? <1000?

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Originally Posted by Amused

One thread on the forums is not indicative of the majority of the community.

Also, the fact that people here keep citing that other parts have been nerfed as reasoning for why they should nerf Atma only reinforces the point I was trying to make in the first place. Why does everything have to be nerfed?

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The fact that the atma stage does literally nothing is a very good reason for it to be nerfed, its the most useless stage of the relic quest and it does nothing but be a pain in the ass while not even giving you the feeling of accomplishment when you finish it.