You pull you tank question.

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Originally Posted by noelregnard

Putting aside the blatant disingenuous tone of your post, the current topic here is about bad tanks.

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That is my point though, that "Tanks bad m i right?" has been "the current topic" a little too often, some days over several threads all at the same time, across not only this forum but Reddit and now Twitter/X as well.
"Tanks bad lmao" is becoming the new "dragoon floor tanks" FFXIV meme and everyone wants in on it, which has a clear effect on how people behave around tanks in-game.

I never had issues with DPS wanting to pull until YPYT and the bad tank meme began to be a daily discourse, and now it feels like every single DPS i run into is competing with each other to see who is the one to do it.
I´ve had DPS bringing up arguments or complain about "party authority" before i even said anyhing or reacted to their pulling, and it´s getting old.

Even you could not stop yourself from pulling the "Tanks are not special" card when i never implied we were lmao

As i said, "tank bad" or "tank ego" is just the newest meme and y´all want a piece of it, and it´s getting old.

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Originally Posted by Ruruura

That is my point though, that "Tanks bad m i right?" has been "the current topic" a little too often, some days over several threads all at the same time, across not only this forum but Reddit and now Twitter/X as well.
"Tanks bad lmao" is becoming the new "dragoon floor tanks" FFXIV meme and everyone wants in on it, which has a clear effect on how people behave around tanks in-game.

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I guess you missed a lot of people torching healers, between the healer strike thing and their general dissatisfaction then? Be it Reddit or content creators, making healers the butt-end of a joke has been on a particularly high level lately.
But yea, poor tanks. You even mention the "lol foor DRG" meme which still exists in some capacity today after a decade.
Every role has bad players. Every role will be on the receiving end of sarcastic remarks. It's always been that way. Every role matters in high-end content, and no role matters in everything else.

This whole discussion is, honestly, dull. You have a number of tools at your disposal, depending on role and job. Given a situation, you should utilize all of them to clear the content as quickly as possible. Some people won't, but a good player will.
If someone's being disruptive and making clearing impossible, you have a vote kick function for that. If someone is struggling and asks for help- or seems open to it- you can go out of your way to offer advice (though you have no obligation to). If they take it, great. If they don't take it, or don't want it to begin with, you nod, do your best, finish the 20 minutes roulette and go on about your way knowing you did all that you could as a good player.
That's all there is to it. Imagine if me or my healers threw a fit every time I rip aggro on a trash pack in an Expert dungeon as Pictomancer because I do half a million aoe damage in 4s. Who cares, I pop my barrier, my healer throws a shield on me, I stay close to the tank and I trust him to regain aggro. Even if he doesn't, it's fine, at worst I die and just release and rejoin. Same when I heal, ok you died to a mechanic, or you got hit by burns in ex1, I got you fam, I'll try my best to keep you alive so we don't lose raid damage. People are more concerned about proving a point of who's right, or who leads, or whose pace it is instead of grabbing the tools they have to bring the duty to swift completion. Just do your best, really.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

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I don't think this is worth replying to, but like... you're not that guy. I know you think you're some sort of ascended XIV player, but none of us are that special.

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Originally Posted by Router

Sorry for not, uhhh... AFKing with the tank in solidarity? Don't you have something better to do than bait for replies on an alt account?

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1) Goofy.
https://i.imgur.com/zapVW5J.png

2) https://i.imgur.com/bWFideE.png

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

Imagine if me or my healers threw a fit every time I rip aggro on a trash pack in an Expert dungeon as Pictomancer because I do half a million aoe damage in 4s. Who cares,

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Square cares. https://i.imgur.com/NDpA7ko.png

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Originally Posted by noelregnard

LMAO hall of novice. That thing was made when dinosaurs were still around. Also, it teaches tanks to grab aggro off other party members, not pulling. Y'know, the thing you're arguing that you should not have to do?
It also teaches DPS to grab aggro off healer, and teaches tanks to use single target after hitting AoE once to grab aggro. You should spend less time coming up with nonsensical excuses and more time learning how to play properly.

Also, you don't need a tank to complete most dungeons. Neither do you need a warrior to do it without a healer. But course, you wouldn't know this.

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So by your genius logic what's the problem with the tank not taking aggro off you when you pull? if you don't NEED a tank to do a dungeon then this whole topic is moot.

You will not be able to complete a dungeon without a tank and for most people also without a healer. DPS are literally the least required role, melee dps in particular in almost all games are the most big headed ego driven pains to play with. They constantly want to be the centre of attention, they offer very little to the group outside of damage and most have the attention span of a goldfish.

Are y'all like twelve years old?

Everyone plays every role these days. There's no stereotyping or identity framing to do. People who throw temper tantrums are the problem, and that's what the problem tanks are doing.

Pulling instead of the tank (in a random party) is quite rude tbh. A stranger can interpret you doing that in many different negatives ways.
How much are you really speeding it up? Your sprint is equally as fast as the tank, and your ranged skill is about the same distance as theirs. You're basically telling the tank "you're not doing a good enough job". The tank could also have specific reasons for going at a specific pace, such as either themselves or the healer lacking confidence.

Now "you pull you tank" is also not nice, as you inevitably let everyone get killed. The optimal thing to do is help kill the pack and leave - tanks have instant queues anyways - that would teach the DPS some patience, while waiting for a new tank.

In short, don't be rude and everyone wins! (Unless you're playing with friends, then griefing is kind of encouraged, lol)

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Originally Posted by Willemdarke

Pulling instead of the tank (in a random party) is quite rude tbh.

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Why is it rude?

Having tanked most of the game I cannot fucking see why, except unless you have less than paper thin ego. I'll do the exact same fucking thing I do whether someone pulls ahead of me or not.

What you detailed after that statement is imaginary fucking insults. Okay, so, a Dancer of whoever who loses a ton of damage if they don't burst before their timer goes out made sure the not lose the damage for the party, and used their movement tools to avoid that. Why the fuck should I think that's telling me I'm not doing a good enough job?

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

Why is it rude?

Having tanked most of the game I cannot fucking see why, except unless you have less than paper thin ego. I'll do the exact same fucking thing I do whether someone pulls ahead of me or not.

What you detailed after that statement is imaginary fucking insults.

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It's rude because if it's in the middle of a fight, which it normally is. As in, we are fighting pack A and the DPS runs off and tags pack B too, without a care to the tanks current rotation state CD's etc. Well imagine if you were in the middle of doing something and someone just dumped something on you goign here deal with this too, without asking you. You would find that rather rude generally. Personally I play by the principle of, if you do that, I will get it off you when I'm now ready, I wont go out of my way to save you or put us at risk of wipe because you decided to pull extra, your HP is currently my mitigation bar. I don't agree with anyone wiping the whole group by refusing to press buttons, that is childish, but I'm also not you damn servant, if you wanna play stupid games I'll let you die to them, the rest of the group will be just fine.

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Originally Posted by Malthir

It's rude because if it's in the middle of a fight, which it normally is. As in, we are fighting pack A and the DPS runs off and tags pack B too, without a care to the tanks current rotation state CD's etc. Well imagine if you were in the middle of doing something and someone just dumped something on you goign here deal with this too, without asking you. You would find that rather rude generally.

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Literally just keep doing what you were doing anyway. How hard is it?

And no, I don't find it rude.