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Now lets all be friend and kiss.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Zelda has made do with auto jumping for years.

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Zelda II >< just sayin =P

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Though there is such a thing as 'realistic fantasy'. It's still fantasy but still has hints of realism, iirc is technically defined as 'Low Fantasy'.

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Conan I would define as low fantasy, FF is as about as far away from low fantasy as you can get.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

just as unrealistic as my dragoon jumping 12 feet in the air, or cloud jumping with the help of friends slinging him several hundred feet in the air in advent children, "fantasy" is not supposed to be realistic it is supposed to bend/break the rules.

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Dragoons use an ability to Jump very very very high and come down with their lance on an enemy. It is an iconic move for an iconic class. It also has nearly a minute cool down. That is part of the rule bending we talked about earlier. I can suspend my disbelief about the Dragoon's leaping prowess because that is what they do. I attribute it to some kind of Magic or Skill they've honed. Much like how I accept White Mage's can magically mend flesh.

That doesn't mean I think everyone can Jump like a Dragoon, at all times, without even being on the class. That is something that takes me out of the Fantasy because instead of enjoying the game I have to scratch my head and say, "How can I jump what scales out to be 5 feet into the air as quickly as gravity will allow while donning what should be insanely heavy armor? Or how can the Lalafell jump as high as a Hyur?"

And Advent Children is a movie. Not a game and that was one of the reason's I disliked it so much. They were over the top running up walled Dragon Ball Z physics everywhere silly during the final confrontation. While the rest of the cast were more in line with how the actual GAME physics and limitations allowed.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

That is something that takes me out of the Fantasy because instead of enjoying the game I have to scratch my head and say, "How can I jump what scales out to be 5 feet into the air as quickly as gravity will allow while donning what should be insanely heavy armor? Or how can the Lalafell jump as high as a Hyur?"

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You are being awfully selective about what draws you out of the game. How can a tiny Lalafell take a hit from a giant monster just as well as a Roegadyn? How can characters who wear full plate armor run just as fast as those who wear light armor? Even beyond that, how can a Lalafell run as fast as an Elzen when their legs are so short? Do these questions pop into your head at all or are you just making things up to pretend that you actually have a point?

The reason why Lalafells can run as fast as Elzen and why the two races will be able to jump just as high as each other is for the sake of balance. If a Lalafell could get stomped into the ground by an average boss attack, like they realistically should, why would anyone want to play them?

If something as small as jumping actually takes you out of the game but these other things don't, I really don't know what to tell you besides this: you have obviously taken the time to accept the rules and mechanics of the Final Fantasy world(s), in time, you will come to accept jumping. Change happens all the time, if it didn't, we wouldn't have Final Fantasy XIV, we would still be on the original Final Fantasy.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Though there is such a thing as 'realistic fantasy'. It's still fantasy but still has hints of realism, iirc is technically defined as 'Low Fantasy'.

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But that's wrong. FFXIV has been high fantasy since it was announced.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

just as unrealistic as my dragoon jumping 12 feet in the air, or cloud jumping with the help of friends slinging him several hundred feet in the air in advent children, "fantasy" is not supposed to be realistic it is supposed to bend/break the rules.

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Fantasy may not be realistic but that doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be rendered realistically.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

And Advent Children is a movie. Not a game and that was one of the reason's I disliked it so much. They were over the top running up walled Dragon Ball Z physics everywhere silly during the final confrontation. While the rest of the cast were more in line with how the actual GAME physics and limitations allowed.

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what about this final fantasy game? it has jump in it.

"I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO JUMP EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME WHENEVER THEY WANT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HONED ALL THEIR SKILLS OR HAVE THE MAGIC TO BE ABLE TO DO IT ALL THE TIME AND IT BREAKS IMMERSIONS.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to run at a pretty good pace for hours on end, and never have to use the bathroom ever."

Toogle to turn off jump?
what about a toogle to turn off walking, running, riding, casting or dying?

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Next, the scene with lalafel jumping. Is this really jump? Or is the cut scene just looks that way?

吉田氏：ジャンプです。
Yoshida: It’s jumping

――任意でジャンプできるのですか？
You can jump at will?

吉田氏：できます。全種族できます。普通のジャンプです。
Yoshida: Yes you can. Every race can. This is regular jump.

――ちょっとしたところだったらジャンプで上れたりも？
You can jump and get on some ledges?

吉田氏：できます。
Yoshida: Yes

――それはもうゲームの行動様式が変わりますね。
With that it’s going to change the movement entirely.

吉田氏：それが狙いです。それ前提にマップを全部作り直していますので。
Yoshida: That’s the goal. We are remodeling all the map with that in mind.

――今はちょっとした凹凸でもすごく遠回りしなくちゃいけないじゃないですか。
Right now you have to go all the way around for some bumps

吉田氏：そういったことはまったくないです。ただ、角度で上れるかどうかを判定していますので、見た目60度以上の場所は登れません、とか。それの実験風景なんかも今後プロモーションサイトで開発の進捗にあわせて公開していこうかなと思っています。
Yoshida: You won’t have those. However we are looking at the angle to decide if you can go up or not so if it’s more than 60 degrees you can’t or something like that. We also want to show the testing in the promo site along with developments updates.

――今後は崖をバーッと降りられる？
Can you jump down cliffs?

吉田氏：はい。グラフィックスが壊れない限界までは大丈夫です。道がなければ歩けないということはないですね、もう。ただ、あまりに高いところは、複雑骨折させるわけにはいかないので（笑）、落ちないように柵などを設けるかもしれません。
Yoshida: Yes. As long as it doesn’t break the graphics it should be ok. It’s not where if you don’t see the road you can’t walk. However if it’s too high we can’t have you break all your bones (laugh) so we have to have fence or something like that.


――自由な上り下りという点では逆にキャラクターのスタックが怖いですね。
Bit scary when you can freely move up and down and getting your character stuck.

吉田氏：すみません、そこはもうデジョンかレポートしてくださいという（笑）。もちろん、きっちりデバッグは行なった上
での極論ではありますが、それでも僕はその怖さより自由度の方がゲームは大切だと思っています。
Yoshida: Sorry for that part please just use return or report (laugh). We that’s the conclusion after carefully debugging but for me I think it’s more important to have the game to have more freedom than to be scared.

――このジャンプや飛び降りによって新しいゲーム性は何か加わるのですか？
With this type of jump will there be new game system involved?

吉田氏：僕 は、そこは逆にアクション性はあまり持たせるべきではないと思っているので、やはり表現だっ たり、移動の1つの方法として使っていただければそれでいいかなと思っています。僕は地面に縛り付けられている感じが本当に嫌なので、町の中を走っている 時に、楽しいからずっとジャンプをしていてもぜんぜんいいんじゃないのと思っています。
Yoshida: I believe I don’t want to make it action based so it’s basically for expression or as another method for movement. I really don’t like the feeling of being grounded to the floor , so I think it’s OK to be able to jump for fun when running inside the town.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post723328

Can we stop now the anti-jump campaign?
Or are you all just scared that you can freely move up and down and getting your character stuck?