Healer design is still terrible and I'm tired of apologizing for it.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

And we're never going to see that overhaul. We're going to get some new animations, some extra charges on our oGCDs and maybe 1/2 more Healing abilities that we don't need. That'll be the pattern for healers going into 7.0, 8.0, 9.0, etc.
We'll get a QoL update at best and remain unchanged until the servers go down and it sucks.

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Yeah, it really does. I'm not optimistic for 7.0 for healers at all, and I unsubbed a few days ago because ShB 2.0 gameplay on the healers is not keeping me engaged at all and it doesn't feel like it's meaningfully going to get any better. I want to play healers, I love playing support and healers in other games, but this just isn't fun enough to keep me subbed.
I'm genuinely happy for the people that find this fun, but this game's combat is increasingly becoming the worst part of it for me. :(

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Yeah, it really does. I'm not optimistic for 7.0 for healers at all, and I unsubbed a few days ago because ShB 2.0 gameplay on the healers is not keeping me engaged at all and it doesn't feel like it's meaningfully going to get any better. I want to play healers, I love playing support and healers in other games, but this just isn't fun enough to keep me subbed.
I'm genuinely happy for the people that find this fun, but this game's combat is increasingly becoming the worst part of it for me. :(

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Yea, I understand that. So long as Yoshi remains involved healers are going to remain boring, lifeless, redundant, and overly simple. At this point he's actively working against the community and ignoring everyone and anyone who raises dissent. In all the MMO's on the market, FF14's healers are among the worst because of the endless 1-button spam.

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Originally Posted by Selvokaz

I doesn't have to be 80% right now it's not even 50%, and that's where i believe the issue lies. More stacking markers, more roomwide AoEs, more mechanics that put pressure on the tanks to absorb hits as opposed to trying to avoid them, more situations like in Titania ex where the dps have to trade off near-instant death shots.

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That's exactly what we want. More unavoidable damage. But like you said, BiS and skilled groups would soon make the need for 50% heal time unnecessary. So what then? You have to design both for more to heal and for something fun to do when you've mastered healing that fight. It's not one or the other.

Sage had a great onset with Eukrasia+Diagnosis+Toxikon. If Toxikon was indeed an oGCD it would basically lead to a GCD heal that can combo into an oGCD DPS, should the shield break. A clever way to mix healing and DPS without upsetting the balance since it is DPS neutral.

Best of both worlds and still in line with what SE has been trying to do with healers, ie push to use GCDs to heal. It's great, innovative, fast-paced gameplay. If only. :(

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Originally Posted by Teno

Sage had a great onset with Eukrasia+Diagnosis+Toxikon. If Toxikon was indeed an oGCD it would basically lead to a GCD heal that can combo into an oGCD DPS, should the shield break. A clever way to mix healing and DPS without upsetting the balance since it is DPS neutral.

Best of both worlds and still in line with what SE has been trying to do with healers, ie push to use GCDs to heal. It's great, innovative, fast-paced gameplay. If only. :(

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Toxicon really would be better as a return on investment button rather than movement but in squares World shield healer gotta have a movement button (for some reason).

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Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya

Toxicon really would be better as a return on investment button rather than movement but in squares World shield healer gotta have a movement button (for some reason).

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Toxicon and Lilies should be DPS neutral, which would actually incentivize GCD healing. It's rather baffling how the dev team is so close to getting it right (at least partially) but flubs right at the finish line.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Toxicon and Lilies should be DPS neutral, which would actually incentivize GCD healing. It's rather baffling how the dev team is so close to getting it right (at least partially) but flubs right at the finish line.

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Lilies esp would fix so many issues of WHM if they were DPS neutral. I get that if lilies were neutral, in fights with downtime you could abuse them but thats what optimization is called.
Lillies right now are between DPS loss and DPS gain. Why cant they be between DPS neutral and DPS gain.
Toxicon rn is between DPS loss and DPS neutral. Why cant it be between DPS neutral and DPS gain. DPS might have a two meter high skill ceiling if that were the case. Right now it's just like 20cm above skill floor of just doing ABC.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

And we're never going to see that overhaul. We're going to get some new animations, some extra charges on our oGCDs and maybe 1/2 more Healing abilities that we don't need. That'll be the pattern for healers going into 7.0, 8.0, 9.0, etc.
We'll get a QoL update at best and remain unchanged until the servers go down and it sucks.

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A whopping 10 potency added to our attack spells! (heavy /s)

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Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya

Lilies esp would fix so many issues of WHM if they were DPS neutral. I get that if lilies were neutral, in fights with downtime you could abuse them but thats what optimization is called.
Lillies right now are between DPS loss and DPS gain. Why cant they be between DPS neutral and DPS gain.
Toxicon rn is between DPS loss and DPS neutral. Why cant it be between DPS neutral and DPS gain. DPS might have a two meter high skill ceiling if that were the case. Right now it's just like 20cm above skill floor of just doing ABC.

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Exactly, optimization and forethought for downtimes/bursts would modestly reward the healer (both in terms of dps and gameplay), while the rest of the time it's just dps neutral. They're just so close.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

A whopping 10 potency added to our attack spells! (heavy /s)

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imagining wasting time to develop these new animations just for 10 extra potency.