PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

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Well, the point I was disputing was that Shadowflare's 5% slow was useful and effective mitigation, when that's not how the slow works, and most any perceived mitigation "gained" from it is more akin to a placebo effect, since Slow doesn't mitigate damage, just slightly reduced the rate it comes in. At 5% you're looking at a hundredth of a second or less, assuming a 2.5 mob gcd, which is why it needs to be up for over 30+ seconds before you'll actually start seeing a reduced number of attacks.

Shadow flare=Nonexistent mitigation.

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Originally Posted by missybee

Everyone in the game has to deal with managing resources be it TP or MP.

I can't wrap my head around this victim mentality that seems so prevalent among healer mains (at least here on the OF). If things are as bad as people are saying, why do you keep playing healer?

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Because it's fun to watch people rage when you let them die so you can pursue your own numbers? They're already whining at us when we don't dps so may as well have some fun and give them exactly what they want~

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

What about the MP wasted on damaging spells - is that a concern at all?

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It generally shouldn't be one - Healers got massive mana pools, low costs and in-built regeneration tools. Moreover, cooldowns don't cost any mana. It's not like you have to sit down and drink every other mob pull like I used to when I started playing WoW >_>

I can only speak for dungeons, but there you can dump around 80% of your mana into AoE DPS and keep the rest for healing. I'm not even sure if you CAN go OOM from healing alone without pointlessly spamming overheals, AoEs or resurrection.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Because it's fun to watch people rage when you let them die so you can pursue your own numbers? They're already whining at us when we don't dps so may as well have some fun and give them exactly what they want~

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I want to die.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

It generally shouldn't be one - Healers got massive mana pools, low costs and in-built regeneration tools. Moreover, cooldowns don't cost any mana. It's not like you have to sit down and drink every other mob pull like I used to when I started playing WoW >_>.

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Yet... I still on occasion have to ask why the Tank just died and I have mobs gang piling me...

I shouldn't have to be asking that...

Your job is to keep that tank alive first and foremost... not DPS.

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Originally Posted by missybee

Everyone in the game has to deal with managing resources be it TP or MP.

I can't wrap my head around this victim mentality that seems so prevalent among healer mains (at least here on the OF). If things are as bad as people are saying, why do you keep playing healer?

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No other role is expected to perform double duty other than a healer though - that is my point. Healers should be focused on utility (like buffs/debuffs/raising bad DD's) and healing - DPS should be left to the DD's (and lesser extent tanks, which naturally do DPS while holding threat.) I'm not sure why players can not understand the core of the issue of "not enough healers."

So many people take these examples to the extreme. Obviously we do not want you to put your DPS over healing if it is needed but if you're sitting there with full MP and minimal damage coming in a quick holy or dot isn't going to kill you or the tank.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

No other role is expected to perform double duty other than a healer though - that is my point. Healers should be focused on utility (like buffs/debuffs/raising bad DD's) and healing - DPS should be left to the DD's (and lesser extent tanks, which naturally do DPS while holding threat.) I'm not sure why players can not understand the core of the issue of "not enough healers."

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Not exactly, Tanks are expected to mitigate damage coming in (to help healers) and pump out as much damage as they can, not just sit there and use overpower or flash constantly. DPS are expected to assist with debuffs, mana/TP song, even rezzing if the healer is busy and they are able.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

No other role is expected to perform double duty other than a healer though - that is my point. Healers should be focused on utility (like buffs/debuffs/raising bad DD's) and healing - DPS should be left to the DD's (and lesser extent tanks, which naturally do DPS while holding threat.)

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No other role gets the luxury of down time mid-fight.

This has already been said at least five times, but if a tank goes in to content and just uses flash repeatedly to maintain hate on everything, is that good enough? It shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by missybee

This has already been said at least five times, but if a tank goes in to content and just uses flash repeatedly to maintain hate on everything, is that good enough? It shouldn't be.

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Trust me, by the last setence you said, this might be the logic of most people in here. As long the content is cleared, why not? I honestly have NO idea why people love to stand around doing nothing but expects others to work their asses off. Why does people have a mentality of saying its all about them but never about others. /think

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Trust me, by the last setence you said, this might be the logic of most people in here. As long the content is cleared, why not?

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So you're also OK with DPS jobs doing the minimum damage to clear the content within the given time frame? Hell yeah for 60 minute DF dungeons.

Amazed by the amount of people who thinks do nothing for 12/15 minutes in a 15/20 minutes long dungeon isn't leeching and the point of the job ¯\_(ツ)_/¯