Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

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Originally Posted by RubyShoes

Actually people don't. Traditionally MMO expansions attract new players and traditionally game companies want and need those new players. This expansion gates off content and unless they either trim the MSQ's down or every class starts at 30 new players face a huge grind. That's a shame as the more players we have in game the better for everyone.

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Devs have already said they are going to ease up the grind of 2.XX MSQ, plus as I mentioned earlier, the new no synce/reduced party size feature to duties so that friends/fc/etc can help you just burn through them.

From just reading this thread, loudest voices seem to be crying, "but the new players!", even though several new players have spoken up and said it's not that bad of a grind. Reading between the lines, seems the people most against the decision to gate Ishgard, are really saying, "I did the bare minimum of story to reach endgame, I don't want to have to finish rest of the story, plus do HW story to reach 3.XX endgame".

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Originally Posted by RubyShoes

Actually people don't. Traditionally MMO expansions attract new players and traditionally game companies want and need those new players. This expansion gates off content and unless they either trim the MSQ's down or every class starts at 30 new players face a huge grind. That's a shame as the more players we have in game the better for everyone.

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Even if new players were to enter the game for an expansion, they still need to play the previous installment to catch up to the expansion. This has been the case for pretty much any online MMO that has expansion installments.

The Leveling process is still part of MSQ too, nor do the installments from 2.1 and onward take that long (the biggest offenders of time being the dungeons/trials themselves because no one really does them anymore, and that is being mitigated with allowing sub-8man parties)

I guess it stands to be pointed out that Heavensward's content is going to be gated by it's story, much as everything else has been prior, and in order to delve into Heavensward's story you still need to finish 2.0's story so... nothing changes.

As a new player I have no objections to playing through the main storyline quests.

What does concern me, however, is the number of group quests.

Once Heavensward launches I wonder how possible it will be to find groups for dungeons etc to complete the necessary objectives to enable us to progress into Heavensward content once it launches and the vast majority of players are, understandably, playing through the new content.

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Originally Posted by Alunari

As a new player I have no objections to playing through the main storyline quests.

What does concern me, however, is the number of group quests.

Once Heavensward launches I wonder how possible it will be to find groups for dungeons etc to complete the necessary objectives to enable us to progress into Heavensward content once it launches and the vast majority of players are, understandably, playing through the new content.

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They do a decent job of encouraging people to go back to older content.
I'm sure you've met a few 50's leveling up if you'd done dungeons.

There'll also people quite a few people leveling Dark Knight, Machinist and Astrologian.
So I think it's possible they'll shorten the queue, even if they might have the main story quest.

There might be a lull right after the expansion comes out.
But it's also possible that returned veterans will be on after Heavensward is out, trying to finish up their own main story.

Anyway, I still always find it surprising to get groups in reasonable time for effectively outdated content.
If all else fails, they're allowing you to go in unsynced and without the required amount of people, in Heavensward.
That means, you can ask for help if you've got an FC or some LS. There are a lot of helpful people for that sort of thing.

I knew this thread was coming. I look forward to the epic discussion/rage once Heavensward finally drops. I warned a few of my friends that play and they don't even believe me nor do they visit these forums so I know there are A LOT of people out there in for a VERY rude awakening come the 19th. For the record I do believe that blocking new players from new content is a massively bad idea of epic proportions, but we all know that Square has this horribly bad habit of not listening to common sense until it's apocalyptically too late. It's like dealing with an idiot savant.

As a fairly new player myself I can tell you before I got into this game I was originally going to wait until heavensward to start playing because I didn't see the point, all i wanted to do was play that awesome looking astrologian class. If not for blind luck and impatience making me start playing a couple of months ago I would have been royally screwed and severly disappointed come the expansion. Even when I was playing I only found out about the content block through sheer luck of someone mentioning it offhandedly and i didn't believe "because who the heck would do something so stupid?!" yea... so i looked it up. Lo and behold it was true! So i started REALLY playing to finish the story and then some. Many people did not or are not doing this for many reasons not least of which is the fact that unless you actually LOOK REALLY HARD for this bit of info Sqaure is not going out of its way to tell you about it.



They are basically trolling any newcomers and even older players, players that never finished the story or have no desire to "I know people who have said to me they have no desire to finish the story" MASSIVELY. I played a lot of mmo's over the years and I can honestly say I've NEVER seen an mmo go so friggin far out of it's way to just give their player base such a massive middle finger as this game. If the gameplay itself wasn't so much fun coupled with the fact that better mmo's have yet to be released in NA "Looking at you Black Desert!" I would have already dropped it. But im here for now and i'm ready for the fireworks to come.

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Originally Posted by Alunari

As a new player I have no objections to playing through the main storyline quests.

What does concern me, however, is the number of group quests.

Once Heavensward launches I wonder how possible it will be to find groups for dungeons etc to complete the necessary objectives to enable us to progress into Heavensward content once it launches and the vast majority of players are, understandably, playing through the new content.

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Pre-30: Terrible.

30+ : Not that bad. The new jobs start at 30, and we have to go to the old world to level them. That means the 30+ dungeons (realistically 28+ starting at Haukke Manor) are going to be flush with players. Pre-30 dungeons will just be people doing their daily roulettes.

Thank you for your responses, Allyrion and Catwho :)

I'm really looking forward to Heavensward, but was worried that I was a little late to the party when it came to getting everything done in this expansion. I don't want a quick fix, or a pass through to the Heavensward content, I am loving the storyline and the quests.

I know I'll have hit 50 by the time the expansion is released, the question is how far into the post 50 quests I will have managed to progress ^_^

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Originally Posted by Catwho

Pre-30: Terrible.

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With all the lv51+ jobs doing Sastasha (normal) because of Exp dungeon roulette (lv17-49 & 51-59 dungeons will be in the same roulette) it will be not so terrible.

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Originally Posted by XxSliphxX

They are basically trolling any newcomers and even older players

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So you would let start new players in Isghard, as a lvl 30, with no knowledge and knowing if they set one foot out of Isghard they get killed by a lvl 50+ mob?
Or would you want that everybody starts from lvl 1 again, and that all new zones have mobs from lvl 1 till 50+?

Even if they make the jobs available outside of Isghard, you would need to have a lvl 50, and yeah, why would Isghard even let you pass?

And no point in saying to let them start as an AST/DRK/MCH in one of the 3 city states, since there is no guild for them. (BTW, we never start as a job, we start with a class. AST/DRK/MCH = JOB)