Can you please Ease Up on Atma now?

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Originally Posted by Chambers

How many people do you know that would sit around and say "OHH NOOO!!! they made atma easier to get! I really enjoyed grinding fates for hours without getting anything..."

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The answer is nobody because it's old content and they're not doing that anymore.

The only people that don't want Atma to be easier to obtain are the people that want everyone to suffer as they suffered...which is selfish. I don't wish that grind on anyone. It's not fun, it's not challenging, it's just tedious.

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I can tell you now, there are a few people who suffered that definitely want this crap nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Amused

It's not so much that I enjoy the way Atma functions right now as much as I'm concerned about things being made easier as a whole. Where does it stop? People want Atma to be easier now, but then they'll want the Animus books to be easier too, even though they already are with the increased myth rates and adjusted FATE spawn times. Why does everything have to get easier?

Also, I'd like to bring up the fact that relic is completely optional content, and is essentially a luxury item that is never necessary. Items of essentially equivalent power are much more readily available. Basically, relic is something that doesn't need to be made easier because it isn't even needed in the first place. Its entire purpose was to cater to the people who want a long term goal to work towards. Relics are supposed to be rare, if everyone was running around with a relic, it wouldn't be much a relic anymore, would it?

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Gotta love slippery slope

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Originally Posted by Amused

It's not so much that I enjoy the way Atma functions right now as much as I'm concerned about things being made easier as a whole. Where does it stop? People want Atma to be easier now, but then they'll want the Animus books to be easier too, even though they already are with the increased myth rates and adjusted FATE spawn times. Why does everything have to get easier?

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Your attempts at preserving difficulty are misguided, as Atma farming has nothing, nothing whatsoever to do with difficulty, only with luck. Making luck-related stuff less likely to screw people over who have no way of influencing it is a GOOD thing. If you want people to have "a long term goal to work towards", then GIVE them a goal to work towards, not a lottery. Is the jackpot something you can work towards?

Farming Atma isn't any less easy than rolling dice, and it is just as luck reliant.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Your attempts at preserving difficulty are misguided, as Atma farming has nothing, nothing whatsoever to do with difficulty, only with luck. Making luck-related stuff less likely to screw people over who have no way of influencing it is a GOOD thing. If you want people to have "a long term goal to work towards", then GIVE them a goal to work towards, not a lottery. Is the jackpot something you can work towards?

Farming Atma isn't any less easy than rolling dice, and it is just as luck reliant.

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If they're going to just hand out Atma, why even have that stage in the first place? Why not just have them give you the Atma right away without having to do anything at all?

I don't see how it being luck based makes it any less of a goal to work towards either, and I never once implied that Atma was "difficult" nor would I ever agree with someone claiming it to be difficult.

Again, I want to return to the point I made earlier. Why does everything have to be made easier? Where do we draw the line?

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Originally Posted by Amused

If they're going to just hand out Atma, why even have that stage in the first place? Why not just have them give you the Atma right away without having to do anything at all?

I don't see how it being luck based makes it any less of a goal to work towards either, and I never once implied that Atma was "difficult" nor would I ever agree with someone claiming it to be difficult.

Again, I want to return to the point I made earlier. Why does everything have to be made easier? Where do we draw the line?

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Again, gotta love slippery slope. Increasing the atma drop rate or finding another method to implement to grind them out does not equate to easing up any other parts of the quest-line or any other parts of the game for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Amused

If they're going to just hand out Atma, why even have that stage in the first place? Why not just have them give you the Atma right away without having to do anything at all?

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Sure, go ahead, remove the Atma stage entirely. I doubt many people would shed a tear, but many would definitely rejoice. If you enjoy gambling, go to a casino. People don't play MMORPGs to be subject to nothing but RNG. You called Relic an optional thing, but, really, everything can be called optional, depending on point of view. It's a game. Raiding is no less optional than Relic is, neither are crafting or PvP. But neither crafting, nor raiding, nor PvP are locked behind pure random chance.

Atma is "content" that virtually nobody enjoys and virtually everyone hates. If it's universally hated, not wanting things to "be made easier" is not enough of a justification to keep it the way it is.

You ask where to draw the line. How about we draw the line at universally hated, boring and trivial "content" that, apparently, made plenty people actually quit the game, for now? I think Atma is the only thing that fits that definition.


I'm all for working towards a goal. I don't mind grinding - unless this so-called "grind" is in fact nothing but gambling. Make things require effort to obtain, make things difficult to obtain. Don't lock people out based on bad luck with RNG.

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Originally Posted by Amused

I don't see how it being luck based makes it any less of a goal to work towards either, and I never once implied that Atma was "difficult" nor would I ever agree with someone claiming it to be difficult.

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Working toward implies progression is obvious to the player, It is unfair that one player can get the atma within 1/100th the time and effort put in by another player.

You are making fundamentally conflicting statements by saying.

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I never once implied that Atma was "difficult" nor would I ever agree with someone claiming it to be difficult.

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Again, I want to return to the point I made earlier. Why does everything have to be made easier? Where do we draw the line?

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Therefore your arguments are completely offpoint and not relevant to the topic of ATMA.

The only easing that adjusting (making better) the way you obtain atma would be upon the nerves of those who spend minutes/hours/days/weeks and haven't completed a set yet. - and would certainly shut the clouts that did get it in a few days up entirely - I'm sick of reading their ignorance tbh.

None of the Relic steps have been changed thus far, it's unlikely that they will change it now, no matter much you ask for it.
People that can't get Atmas from fates are in the minority.

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Originally Posted by EllPii

None of the Relic steps have been changed thus far, it's unlikely that they will change it now, no matter much you ask for it.

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Yoshi-P has already committed to nerfing it in due time, we simply think that time has come and passed a long time ago.

You are also wrong, as items relevant to several of the stages have been made far easier to obtain.

Which? Phasing from Philosophy to Mythology doesn't count because it's natural tier progression.