Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

My friend uses ACT and he says I parse between 360-375. He mentioned something about ACT being weird the past two weeks with my "time on target" as 362, but the encounter DPS as 375. Something slightly odd with when ACT is interpreting the start and end of the fight, since encounter DPS should virtually always be lower than time-on-target.

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I wish your friend would post that breakdown of your cad turn 1 parse on reddit because I'd be interested in seeing it.

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Originally Posted by GhaleonM

I wish your friend would post that breakdown of your cad turn 1 parse on reddit because I'd be interested in seeing it.

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same here, I've always been curious to see some reference parses of someone playing close to the best they can on a given shot. I unfortunately won't be able to do it myself for a bit since I am still on ps3, but my PC is being built as we speak ^^

Deleted till further research :3

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

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The only issue I really see is the double application of Heavy Thrust. It's not the clipping, but rather that you should substitute a higher potency attack (phleb) in it's place. HT lasts long enough (usually) to complete the rest of the rotation before needing to be reapplied. Dis and CT last twice as long as Phleb, so after the second HT you just go right back to Phleb, TTT, TTT before needing to reapply HT IDC.

HT IDC Ph TTT HT Ph TTT repeat

EDIT: Can you throw in an extra TTT at the end before repeating? It seems like Dis and CT totally falls off before getting back around for me, maybe need more skill speed.

After the jump i can totally throw another TTT to before Dis and CT goes off. I don`t run any particular skill speed gear or anything (full AF with allagan pants and relic so... pretty average)

In most cases thats it, if i have to move for incoming AoE or anything Dis and CT will wear off. Is an adjusted timing that. The second TTT in the best cases, lands true thrust with IR still up, but thats such a perfect condition xD

The double application of HT just makes zero sense whatsoever, I'm not sure what you're going for there. It is "bursty" to get your oGCD abilities off while having your buffs up, but the accepted rotation already does that AND buffs your CT.

If a mob stays alive long enough for the IDC DOTs to tick all the way, your first priority with buffs is to buff an IDC, not to spam TTT. IDC > TTT is your most powerful two-combo set, therefore it's the best thing you can possibly buff. Focusing burst damage is neato, but at the end of the day, not the best use of your abilities.

I think you also mentioned using Feint, which is just not a good use of your time, as far as I know.

I just want to say thank you for this walk through for LNC/DRG. I just got my drg to 50 and I actually enjoying the job. I have PLayed mnk since day 1 and it's still my favorite. So after playing mnk for so long that I can honestly say I have mastered the rotation. I'm i79 and I'm able to pull of H IDC P TTT/ H TTT IDC P/ H TTT P TTT/ H IDC P TTT for regular rotation and the burst that I do is H ID BFB IR C LEG P H PS TT JUMP VT LS FT SD or DD and I must I can pull it off super easy. At i79 I manage to pull 317 dpS on burst. So I think that what help me pull of a super complicated rotation so easy. So again Ty plz rate the rotation. Also I'm still using a melded weapon with deter mats. One can someone explain again stats weight or str relatives to deter, since last I heared that onion belt is BiS? Thank you.

I recently trying to figure out what action is best for the below situation:-

1. After i Heavy thrust and going for IDC, the boss turns around (Titan Ext), do i use true thrust (sometimes + vorpal thrust)and wait for him to turn back for IDC? or i try to rotate to the boss's back myself?

2. When my combo stuck at Disembowel going to CT the boss jumps (Ifrit + Titan), do i continue my combo (even losing HT buff) after the boss lands? or do i redo my combo from scratch?

3. When killing gaol or nails, do i forgo Dots and go for HT + TTT to maximize damage?

4. Sometimes a fraction of delay or positioning error would caused Surge + Full thrust to be executed without HT buff. Will that be advisable? or drop the combo completely and reapply HT before going back to the TTT combo.

Any pro DRG can please advise me? :DD

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Originally Posted by Marcusow86

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1. (How I start off in Titan EX) HT > Phlebotomize > Leg Sweep > IDC > therestofallthatshit Be prepared to dodge through him to do IDC, because he might landslide your way instead of the rest of the party, be quick about it.

2. This one is worded a little funny, so I'm kinda iffy about answering it.
3. TTT dat Gaol/nail up with OGDs too.

4. Well if the Full thrust has already gone off, there's nothing you can do about it. Not that you'd want to because a Surge + Heavy thrust doesn't sound to appealing, does it? :p

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Originally Posted by Silverharp

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All of these but the fourth are pretty wrong. Here is what you want to be doing.

1. Stick with the normal rotation, no point in switching it. HT>B4B>ID>IR>DE>PS>CT>Jump>Ph>LegS>TT>VT>LS>FT>HT>TT>VT>FT>Ph. Now after i phlebotomize i run to his back because at this time he is turning to land slide, so i literally run right through him to ID, then run back to where everyone is stacked, this usually means if the dps isn't insane then i get a brand new Dot rotation on him before he jumps losing no dps time.

2. I always finish my combo, even if your HT falls off because of a mechanic im pretty sure its better to FT or CT instead of starting over, i could be wrong though.

3. This is not the optimal way to do nails. We just had the discussion 2 pages back or 1 page back. Refer to EasymodeX's post. EasymodeX's post on nail rotation

4. If you already surged then just FT. If you have B4B active and it wont last through another rotation, just LS>FT. If neither of these are the case then go ahead with your normal rotation until the next time you come around to FT.

Never drop your combos.

Also, in terms of Ifrit nails, "just TTT" should work for any group really. Getting more fancy is mostly there for epeening, having fun while hitting objects that don't fight back, and otherwise tryharding.

Does anybody know a path you can take to ADS that will remove the piercing buff he gets? I can't seem to find the link i used to use that describes each node's location and ability.

Usually my group just goes through the rot and ballast node, and i forget the third hahah.

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Originally Posted by AugustusSB

Does anybody know a path you can take to ADS that will remove the piercing buff he gets? I can't seem to find the link i used to use that describes each node's location and ability.

Usually my group just goes through the rot and ballast node, and i forget the third hahah.

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Left path for melee, right path for casters. (uh.. as you are facing the first node lol)

Left path is slashing/magic resist

Right path is blunt/piercing resist

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Originally Posted by Atreides

Yes, the required ACC is:
Flank = 458
Rear = 435
Front = 476+-

So aslong you don't play a frontstile Monk/Dragoon all you need is 458 acc.

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So I just did T5 earlier with 453 ACC. And I did miss 4 ID from rear which I think is enough to prove that the 435 ACC requirement from rear here is incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

can someone explain again stats weight or str relatives to deter, since last I heared that onion belt is BiS? Thank you.

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1 Weapon Damage = 8.488 STR
1 DTR = 0.323 STR
1 CRT = 0.184 STR
1 SS = 0.152 STR

Onion Belt has the highest stat weight, so you should use it WHEN you can afford the accuracy loss from not using a ilvl90 belt (depends on your overall gear). You should be using it outside of coil, where extra accuracy is not required, for sure. When gearing, you should focus on the balance between needed accuracy and optimal stat weight.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Left path for melee, right path for casters. (uh.. as you are facing the first node lol)

Left path is slashing/magic resist

Right path is blunt/piercing resist

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So facing the first node go left, then after the 2nd node go right, then whatever?

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Originally Posted by AugustusSB

So facing the first node go left, then after the 2nd node go right, then whatever?

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You don't split again, just stay on the left path and it will lead to ADS.

I use this as reference:

http://i0.wp.com/www.ffxivguild.com/...size=537%2C467

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Originally Posted by Manticzeus

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Well, unless if me switching it during initial Titan pull hinders my DPS , then I'm okay. I merely use that at the beginning for my own convenience because Titan always landslides right as I was about to IDC his fat ass. So I'm Leg Sweeping as I'm walking through him to immediately IDC him. :P

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

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Thank you thank you, will take the left path this time ^ ^

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Originally Posted by AugustusSB

Thank you thank you, will take the left path this time ^ ^

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What is your party comp? If you have 2 casters, BRD, DRG its probably better to keep going right. If its MNK DRG BRD Caster, left is better. MNK DRG Casterx2 could go either way (depends which is doing more damage overall)

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Originally Posted by PArcher

What is your party comp? If you have 2 casters, BRD, DRG its probably better to keep going right. If its MNK DRG BRD Caster, left is better. MNK DRG Casterx2 could go either way (depends which is doing more damage overall)

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The debuff is minor, but yea you should choose the best path for whatever comp you are running with. More melee go left, more magic go right

the resistance buff is pretty big. my BLM fire 1 only crit for 600-700 instead of 1k, when the boss got resist buff.

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Originally Posted by Silverharp

Pants make my butt look good!

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If you position right before the pull then you can get the ID in before he landslides, I'm as close to him as possible without pulling him and to the right so I can run up real fast and HT then IDC

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Originally Posted by Remn

the resistance buff is pretty big. my BLM fire 1 only crit for 600-700 instead of 1k, when the boss got resist buff.

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Really? I thought it was only 10% resist.. Your numbers are like 35-40% damage reduction. I'm normally tanking or healing though so I don't see those numbers.

We do enrage method with 2 bards me(usually playing war or pld) and a BLM + SMN/PLD (depending if im tanking or not).

so we got 3 piercing damage out of 5 dps, so yeah itll be best to go left

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

So I just did T5 earlier with 453 ACC. And I did miss 4 ID from rear which I think is enough to prove that the 435 ACC requirement from rear here is incorrect.

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I run turn 5 with 460, and have never missed unless the mob was facing me, so if the 435 is wrong, it wont be much above that

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Really? I thought it was only 10% resist.. Your numbers are like 35-40% damage reduction. I'm normally tanking or healing though so I don't see those numbers.

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not sure about exact %. but if the ADS got magic resistance. my BLM can kiss 1k damage good bye for that fight ><(for fire1 atleast). FYI my BLM is i89.
now a day i just load my group w/ caster. So i can force my group to go right side xP

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Originally Posted by Randelsa

I run turn 5 with 460, and have never missed unless the mob was facing me, so if the 435 is wrong, it wont be much above that

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I find it weird though, I only had miss during the last phase with that 453 ACC, while during the earlier phase, I had no miss at all. Well, RNG probably screwed me up.

I have T5 on farm and never had a miss either until I switched from Wyrm Boots to Allagan Boots which caused me to lose 15 ACC. Seems I need to aim 460 ACC.

458 is the apparent cap for flank misses. If you AOE/Attack from the front of anything in Turn 5, you will miss with 458 accuracy. I've only ever missed once on Turn 5 so far wit 460 accuracy. Also, I'm positive it's 436 from the rear, not 435. As a Dragoon, you should NOT attack aim for the rear accuracy, as your HT buff requires the flank. If you miss the Heavy Thrust, GG accuracy.

What's a good rotation for fast conflags, i believe someone was saying (maybe EMX) that you guarantee at least 4 GCDs?

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Originally Posted by AugustusSB

What's a good rotation for fast conflags, i believe someone was saying (maybe EMX) that you guarantee at least 4 GCDs?

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Impulse drive on twintania so you have Disembowl ready to hit the conflag once that person is positioned. True, vorpal, full thrust and any off global CD's you have. If you use Blood for Blood, don't forget you can use keen flurry to reduce some of the fireball damage if your group happens to be next targeted with it.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

458 is the apparent cap for flank misses. If you AOE/Attack from the front of anything in Turn 5, you will miss with 458 accuracy. I've only ever missed once on Turn 5 so far wit 460 accuracy. Also, I'm positive it's 436 from the rear, not 435. As a Dragoon, you should NOT attack aim for the rear accuracy, as your HT buff requires the flank. If you miss the Heavy Thrust, GG accuracy.

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Erm. I just posted yesterday that I had a miss ID with 453 ACC, which also means it's not 436.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Erm. I just posted yesterday that I had a miss ID with 453 ACC, which also means it's not 436.

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Which mob did you miss? and were you on rear? heh

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Originally Posted by AugustusSB

What's a good rotation for fast conflags, i believe someone was saying (maybe EMX) that you guarantee at least 4 GCDs?

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This has been discussed numerous times in the thread, and there's even a section in the guide for short rotations. Just pre-prepare HT then Impulse drive, then when the conflag lands Disembowel followed by True Thrust combo, if you get anything else off your group isn't doing enough dps. Off-GCD's are up to you, but I'd recommend staggering them, so use BFB on one, then maybe PS+Jump and LS on another. Generally it's a large dps loss to save cooldowns for too long, so I wouldn't hold a cd for anymore than ~5s if a burn conflag is coming. Any longer wait than that just use the CD and use whatever is up when the conflag drops.

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Originally Posted by AugustusSB

Which mob did you miss? and were you on rear? heh

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Twintania itself during the last phase. Ofcourse I am, I was doing Impulse Drive by that time, and it happened not only once, but 4 times.

Had a miss with Heavy Thrust on phase 1 mobs as well, but I wouldn't bring that up to table since I'm lacking the ACC for "flank" anyway.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Twintania itself during the last phase. Ofcourse I am, I was doing Impulse Drive by that time, and it happened not only once, but 4 times.

Had a miss with Heavy Thrust on phase 1 mobs as well, but I wouldn't bring that up to table since I'm lacking the ACC for "flank" anyway.

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Outside of the chance the ACC cap indeed is wrong for rear requirements, there is a slight possibility she was about to shoot Liquid Hells at team mates and her position got messed up without you being able to see it on your screen.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Outside of the chance the ACC cap indeed is wrong for rear requirements, there is a slight possibility she was about to shoot Liquid Hells at team mates and her position got messed up without you being able to see it on your screen.

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Not when it happened 3-4 times in a single run I guess.

Question here. Fey light. Increases skill speed of self and nearby party members by 30%. Cannot use while Fey Glow effect is active.
Duration: 30s I know it's not cross class but have this been tested? How much is a 30% increase?

...A 30% increase? Literally multiply your total skill speed by 1.3 and there you go.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Twintania itself during the last phase. Ofcourse I am, I was doing Impulse Drive by that time, and it happened not only once, but 4 times.

Had a miss with Heavy Thrust on phase 1 mobs as well, but I wouldn't bring that up to table since I'm lacking the ACC for "flank" anyway.

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I will try and verify this tonight @ 453.. just outa curiosity, which p-word were you using?