History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

So what you just said is that you use an inferior DD to DD 90% of the time just because it could tank if the person really tanking isn't tanking.

Who "off tanks" any more? Is this 2006 and we're trying to set up a trick attack or something? Sooner or later good players will not let their tanks die enough to justify your pugilist being there. In fact, they already have.

When that happens, pugilist becomes just a gimp DD. You're probably levelling thaumaturge so you can tank better than pugilist can and DD better than pugilist can.

Either way, with the job you already have (archer) and the job you're going to have (thaumaturge) your pugilist has no point. There are only three jobs in the game. Gladiator, archer, and thaumaturge.

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Back before they nerfed the hell out of NMs you needed multiple tanks for Hotpox and Mosshorn. Still do to keep the extras off healers.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

Back before they nerfed the hell out of NMs you needed multiple tanks for Hotpox and Mosshorn.

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And you were equally useless in that situation since a gladiator is a better tank than you. No one's going to let you off-tank something IMPORTANT. Hell, I could off-tank a goat on conjurer.

Therefore, your pugilist "eva tank" is no merit to pugilists. No one cares. That's *never* why you are invited. You are invited to DD. If you are not as good a DD as the archer, and you get AoE'd, slowed, paralyzed, petrified...what's the point in you?

None.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

And you were equally useless in that situation since a gladiator is a better tank than you. No one's going to let you off-tank something IMPORTANT. Hell, I could off-tank a goat on conjurer.

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I could easily fill the role of tank on my pug against NMs back when they were a bit harder. Yes GLD is the best Tank but they are not near as good as any of the DD.

I don't play archer, I've leveled it up though here and there for fun. They buy arrows, high damage is the trade off for having to buy/make arrows in my opinion. Its why my pussy dart does pussy damage compared to an archers basic attack because I don't buy arrows or use mp for it.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Archer needs to be the worst-offensive attack job.

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Just no. This is a terrible narrow-sighted conclusion which shows no interest whatsoever in making the combat system actually fun. Practically speaking, every MMO is going to require a somewhat mindless high-damage class or you're going to alienate a very large group of people. Let these people cling to damage meters and feel good about themselves. Meanwhile, give everyone else more important things to do (stuns, offtanking, debuffs, etc.) to supplement their damage output. If done correctly, you'll end up with groups that fill in pure dps/archers LAST after they've taken care of the critical survivability roles.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

And you were equally useless in that situation since a gladiator is a better tank than you. No one's going to let you off-tank something IMPORTANT. Hell, I could off-tank a goat on conjurer.

Therefore, your pugilist "eva tank" is no merit to pugilists. No one cares. That's *never* why you are invited. You are invited to DD. If you are not as good a DD as the archer, and you get AoE'd, slowed, paralyzed, petrified...what's the point in you?

None.

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Invited to what exactly? Back when getting to rank 50 was hard and we did raptor parties I was tanking 90% of the time. People sent me invites just for that purpose. It was the same for NMs.

Heh.

Alright, how about a simple solution for "tank and spank" mechanics then. Every class except archer gets a party buff which is unique to their own class. That way, almost every class gets brought to parties, and only the most competitive members of each class are brought. Boring, but simple.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Just no. This is a terrible narrow-sighted conclusion which shows no interest whatsoever in making the combat system actually fun. Practically speaking, every MMO is going to require a somewhat mindless high-damage class or you're going to alienate a very large group of people. Let these people cling to damage meters and feel good about themselves. Meanwhile, give everyone else more important things to do (stuns, offtanking, debuffs, etc.) to supplement their damage output. If done correctly, you'll end up with groups that fill in pure dps/archers LAST after they've taken care of the critical survivability roles.

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Haha you don't need to stun an ability that only hits your tank because everyone else is out of range. When all your members are archers there are only two critical roles. The tank and the tank healer.

Which is why FFXIV only has 3 real jobs. The other ones are useless.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Haha you don't need to stun an ability that only hits your tank because everyone else is out of range. When all your members are archers there are only two critical roles. The tank and the tank healer.

Which is why FFXIV only has 3 real jobs. The other ones are useless.

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You seriously can't envision NMs having abilities that need to be interrupted even if it only hits the tank? Have you actually played other MMOs?

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Haha you don't need to stun an ability that only hits your tank because everyone else is out of range. When all your members are archers there are only two critical roles. The tank and the tank healer.

Which is why FFXIV only has 3 real jobs. The other ones are useless.

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/facepalm
in before "nerfbat it to the ground"