Seriously 3-5 minute repop on NMs?

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04-20-2011, 03:07 AM
KoontaKintay

Thank you

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Originally Posted by Lyndis

Tougher Notorious Monsters are very welcome. Also it's great if an item is rarer than more common. People say that everyone is going to have it at some point because it's an MMO. People played FFXI for years and never got dalmatica and that was an NM drop. When you saw dalmatica it was impressive. There were a lot of things like that in FFXI. There were also a lot of alternatives so that people who didn't have as much time could get stuff as well. It just made things more varied.

But still I don't think the issue with notorious monsters is how tough or challenging it is, or how rare it's item is. I really feel it's the repop. When an NM that has a rare pop time due to something like lottery spawn and maybe an hour respawn and you see it, it makes your heart jump. The feeling made fighting leaping lizzy exciting even though it takes five hits to kill. I was trying to get a Thalassion Targe and all I did was kill Slippery Sykes twenty times (not exaggerating). The fight was incredibly boring and still took much longer than an hour to finally get my drop.

You did a great job here portraying the feelings of a fellow nm hunter about those sort of NM's. And you did so with out being negative or demeaning towards other peoples beliefs. 2 thumbs up and 5 stars <3. I wish more people like you were on these forums!
04-20-2011, 03:12 AM
Clydey

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Uh-huh. If it can be avoided it should be avoided.

Yes, and part of that promotion is to make up valid reasons for my preferences to be picked instead of yours. And if at this point all you can come up with is "my preferences are not any worse than yours" without backing it up in any way, I think everyone has seen enough regarding which preference is the superior preference. Yes, opinions are not created equal, and if you can't think up anything convincing to promote your preference, you have lost.

I have given my reasons over and over, which you are wilfully ignoring. Going out of your way to be ignorant isn't a 'win'.
04-20-2011, 03:14 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Clydey

That isn't what you said. You said I was suggesting reducing accessibility for other paying customers. It would be the same for everyone.

Like I said, everyone would have the same chance to claim it. No one is being excluded here.

You forget a little big detail. When you lower general accessibility, the accessibility of the content to other paying customers that can't camp a mob for a very long period of time and don't have the chance to be there during the less camped hours is reduced *exponentially*

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Originally Posted by Clydey

I have given my reasons over and over, which you are wilfully ignoring. Going out of your way to be ignorant isn't a 'win'.

disagreeing != ignoring.
I heard your reasons, and they're a big oversimplification of the problem.
04-20-2011, 03:15 AM
BloodLotus

Why do you guys keep responding to Visch and his troll goons?

Everyone has already made the same point over the course of 44 pages.

There are 2 groups it seems.

Guys like Visch who wants items to be harder to get via time

Guys like me who want items to be harder to get via difficult fight

The devs have plans for us, so let this thread die and let the ffxi elitists (you know who you are) whine and complain as much as they want. They won't listen to your reasoning.
04-20-2011, 03:16 AM
Betelgeuzah

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Originally Posted by Clydey

I have given my reasons over and over, which you are wilfully ignoring. Going out of your way to be ignorant isn't a 'win'.

I am ignoring nothing. State what I have ignored or stop pretending.
04-20-2011, 03:18 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

The devs have plans for us

Thankfully, as the rep stated, their plans involve challenge, not timesinks.
04-20-2011, 03:19 AM
Clydey

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You forget a little big detail. When you lower general accessibility, the accessibility of the content to other paying customers that can't camp a mob for a very long period of time and don't have the chance to be there during the less camped hours is reduced *exponentially*

Hence shorter windows. People who play more are always going to have an advantage of some sort. It's unavoidable.

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disagreeing != ignoring.

Did you even read the exchange? He is being ignorant by pretending that I haven't argued my point, not because he disagrees with me. You disagree with me and I don't think you are ignorant. I have already had one person who disagrees concede that they understand my point, even if they don't agree.
04-20-2011, 03:21 AM
Clydey

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

I am ignoring nothing. State what I have ignored or stop pretending.

Read the thread. I have stated my points over and over. I'm not going to continually repeat myself in order to appease someone who appears entirely incapable of having a civil discussion.
04-20-2011, 03:21 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Clydey

Hence shorter windows. People who play more are always going to have an advantage of some sort. It's unavoidable.

A shorter (but not short enough) window does nothing else than create overcamping.

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Did you even read the exchange? He is being ignorant by pretending that I haven't argued my point, not because he disagrees with me. You disagree with me and I don't think you are ignorant. I have already had one person who disagrees concede that they understand my point, even if they don't agree.

I read it. I don't think he's going out of his way to be ignorant, as you stated.
Maybe overly aggressive, but that's a whole different pair of sleeves.
04-20-2011, 03:22 AM
Betelgeuzah

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Originally Posted by Clydey

Read the thread. I have stated my points over and over. I'm not going to continually repeat myself in order to appease someone who appears entirely incapable of having a civil discussion.

I have proved everything you have said wrong or flawed. At this point you have no other choice but to give up or make up crap like this to avoid actually having a debate with me you know you are going to lose (or already lost).

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I read it. I don't think he's going out of his way to be ignorant, as you stated.

Fortunately I am sure his statement involves no bias that may affect his judgment.

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