We lost 70% of our player base half a year in

I mean, I dislike the current 2 min strict buff rotation also. But saying each job plays the same is breaking it down too far to the basics.



BLUs problem is either it can queue with no skills, or you have an already set list you gain leveling, which kind of defeats it's uniqueness. It is hard to fit in normally because it's so unique.

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Envoyé par DPZ2

Pfui. You are a charlatan. End of discussion.

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Love how you'll keep using your supposed expertise to argue in this thread but the moment someone with actual expertise exposes your non-understanding you just end the discussion. It's hilarious really.

It's the literal third post in this 45-page thread and people are still running in circles around it.

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Envoyé par Aword3213

I have PhD in gender studies and sociology. My hair is ocean blue and have nose piercing.

I identify as non binary and my pronoun is Gbated. I was diagnosed with autism. My ancestor escaped genocide 200 years ago, so my victim hierarchy is somewhere near the top.

Would you be interested in explaining your steam chart in detail, then?

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Anecdotally the people who did such a doctorate has worse comprehension of any quantitative methodology than a STEM undergrad.

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Envoyé par Valkyrie_Lenneth

I mean, I dislike the current 2 min strict buff rotation also. But saying each job plays the same is breaking it down too far to the basics.

BLUs problem is either it can queue with no skills, or you have an already set list you gain leveling, which kind of defeats it's uniqueness. It is hard to fit in normally because it's so unique.

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Sorry - Not really talking about the HOW with the Skills. Even if it did have all available skills, they wouldn't let it into normal queue.

It's barely the basics, they all play the same without their glam/effects flavor. I go play other MMOs, and they're a breath of fresh air with what they allow their classes to do in raid and open world. Meanwhile I just feel like utility is being taken away from me in XIV every expac and replaced with another button for my burst.

5 expansions from now, what am I gonna be? Core Rotation build up and a 15 button burst? Like wtf is going on?

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Envoyé par Valkyrie_Lenneth

In comparison to what?



If we really want to be pedantic we can just say every game is just pressing buttons to do an action, so all games play the same.

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You know you can literally play this game on controller right ? The fact a game like PoE has the same amount of buttons as an MMORPG doesnt bother you ?

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Envoyé par Stormpeaks

You know you can literally play this game on controller right ? The fact a game like PoE has the same amount of buttons as an MMORPG doesnt bother you ?

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Number of buttons doesn't mean much to me. It certainly doesn't mean added complexity. The genre isn't massive button number online rpg after all. And I think you missed the point of my post lol

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Envoyé par Stormpeaks

You know you can literally play this game on controller right ? The fact a game like PoE has the same amount of buttons as an MMORPG doesnt bother you ?

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More buttons doesnt equal complexity or depth. Its why you can have a game like Street Fighter be relatively easy to play with less moves to memorize but still have a layer of depth in how to properly use them.

The problem is that FFXIV's combat design isnt deep enough to warrant the simple job design to be fun.

Instead of talking about buttons and core rot, you can boil them all down into how each class makes the same decisions, have the same responsibilities and choices in the same exact scenarios.

If you're bold enough, feel free to provide a decision tree with context for each class depending on environment and encounter, that does not include their flavor.

Because for me as any DPS, I have the same exact responsibilities, in the same exact scenarios, with the same exact reactions, with the same exact spending, in the same exact timing.

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Envoyé par Atelier-Bagur

More buttons doesnt equal complexity or depth. Its why you can have a game like Street Fighter be relatively easy to play with less moves to memorize but still have a layer of depth in how to properly use them.

The problem is that FFXIV's combat design isnt deep enough to warrant the simple job design to be fun.

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I can agree with that actually, but FFXIV really goes to extremes to make sure everything is the absolutely easiest possible, and it shows, a little bit of flavor wouldnt kill, honestly. The combat is already painfully slow but the boring rotation that comes with it is just the finisher. (let alone for healers, but i wont even dare get into it)

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Envoyé par Atelier-Bagur

More buttons doesnt equal complexity or depth. Its why you can have a game like Street Fighter be relatively easy to play with less moves to memorize but still have a layer of depth in how to properly use them.

The problem is that FFXIV's combat design isnt deep enough to warrant the simple job design to be fun.

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FFXIV is Street Fighter where all characters are sub-versions of Ryu. They're basically all Shotoclones that are good at everything.


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