Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

It also isn't logical to prioritize content for a large group over content for a small group. First, you must look at the frequency of released content. There is something to be said about the fairness towards ALL kinds of players. Through this logic, we should never seen an Ultimate ever again because there is always some content which will appeal to a larger audience. It only makes sense guys! The second thing that can be said about that is that Ultimate is not just some content for a very small group. On Twitch is garners the most views ever. Each Ultimate there is an incredibly hype around this game on social media. Not only this, but I must wonder if the 48 man savage content will in fact have a larger attendance and clear rate? I wonder how many Legend titles there are out there and compare it to people that have the Ozma mount. I'm willing to wager you'll have a fair fight on your hands. The truth is, most of you don't know what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Not really. Heck, believe it or not I'm not even offended. That takes a lot to do. I don't know who you are either, and it can stay that way. Mostly just wanted to point out that not all of us are like that, and that is what your post was implying. You came in hot and never specified, so...wouldn't be the first time someone tried to paint a large swath of the player base that way. I'm also no mind reader, though that would be nice at times. I'm a no nonsense kind of guy, in that I take absolutely none of it from anyone. By the time I wake up tomorrow morning I will forget this conversation ever happened. As to the rest of your post...we will have to agree to disagree on certain things, and that's okay.

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This post is quite literally the embodiment of the positive toxicity I was talking about. Well done, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

It also isn't logical to prioritize content for a large group over content for a small group. First, you must look at the frequency of released content. There is something to be said about the fairness towards ALL kinds of players. Through this logic, we should never seen an Ultimate ever again because there is always some content which will appeal to a larger audience. It only makes sense guys! The second thing that can be said about that is that Ultimate is not just some content for a very small group. On Twitch is garners the most views ever. Each Ultimate there is an incredibly hype around this game on social media. Not only this, but I must wonder if the 48 man savage content will in fact have a larger attendance and clear rate? I wonder how many Legend titles there are out there and compare it to people that have the Ozma mount. I'm willing to wager you'll have a fair fight on your hands. The truth is, most of you don't know what you're talking about.

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Delaying any content at all benefits no one, least of all SE. It is perfectly logical to prioritize a new expansion release over a raid most will never do. It isn't something I necessarily agree with myself, but it's really not hard to see why they made their decision.

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This post is quite literally the embodiment of the positive toxicity I was talking about. Well done, I guess.

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Nah, not really. Just me calling you out on your bull.

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Delaying any content at all benefits no one, least of all SE. It is perfectly logical to prioritize a new expansion release over a raid most will never do. It isn't something I necessarily agree with myself, but it's really not hard to see why they made their decision.

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Pretty absurd how you are still using that "counter argument" while I am not even thinking in Expansion v New Ultimate this whole time and it's what I am questioning instead. It seems you were right about forgetting conversations come early tomorrow morning. Seems you've forgotten what I said even earlier.

You are not calling out my bull, friend. You can't just go around saying "we'll have to agree to disagree" and then pretend you are calling stuff out. No, you're just being toxic.

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Pretty absurd how you are still using that "counter argument" while I am not even thinking in Expansion v New Ultimate this whole time and it's what I am questioning instead. It seems you were right about forgetting conversations come early tomorrow morning. Seems you've forgotten what I said even earlier.

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They go hand in hand at the moment so it is relevant to the conversation and debate. Maybe I need to give you some time to catch up.

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Well, the primary reason is to address the main causality for all the toxicity present from both ends of the spectrum, so yeah it's kinda relevant from a causality perspective, granted you are aware of this already; I do admittedly get vastly carried away when explaining things. But this discussion would be completely flipped 180 under different circumstances. This thread almost single-handedly makes me regret ever registering here!

Discussing whether one idea or not though is better ultimately comes down to how widely accessible the content is to the player base. I don't think there's any situation where discussing this is a good idea. As far as accessibility goes nigh on anything else wins, but on the other hand Ultimate far exceeds Bozja and many other pieces of content go from a marketable perspective, especially on streaming platforms. I think what the argument here should be though is how can SE enhance their content replayability going forward. If I'm to say anything, I feel what should've been done is further consideration into allowing BLU into Ultimate or even deep dungeon, achievements and titles dictate how people got their clears. They could've and what I feel should've been implemented from the getgo since they elected to 'simplify raids' is to adopt the challenges system they have present in weekly targets for BLU, for those that want to try raiding in.. 'Innovative' ways I guess. It sucks because the biggest issue is always going to be a development bottleneck; content is always cleared faster than developed.

On a joke side though.. Thousand times over you can take those crafting reworks back!!

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History shows that the best way to reach them is to unsub in large numbers (1.0). Not saying that we're likely to see that over this though.

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Sadly, that only dictates change going forward; Nothing can be done with it, and as cold as it is for me to say. Those unsubbing; look forward to seeing them in 6.0 I s'pose.

I just peeked into this thread to see what a trainwreck it would be, and boy, you people did not disappoint.

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They go hand in hand at the moment so it is relevant to the conversation and debate. Maybe I need to give you some time to catch up.

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It has absolutely no relevance to me or the argument I am making / questions I am asking. So not, if it does not have anything to do with me, you don't have to quote me. Seems like for someone as cool as you who will forget about all this soon, you certainly have a difficult time letting go. You are clearly one of these toxic people who has nothing interesting or useful to say. You just want to be right and you'll have no issue being passive aggressive all the way through. Good luck with that. I am distancing myself from an individual like you. Unless you actually have something useful to say instead of stupid stuff like "I'm calling you out on your bull" like you are this conversational hero, we are finished.

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I just peeked into this thread to see what a trainwreck it would be, and boy, you people did not disappoint.

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It has absolutely no relevance to me or the argument I am making / questions I am asking. So not, if it does not have anything to do with me, you don't have to quote me. Seems like for someone as cool as you who will forget about all this soon, you certainly have a difficult time letting go. You are clearly one of these toxic people who has nothing interesting or useful to say. You just want to be right and you'll have no issue being passive aggressive all the way through. Good luck with that. I am distancing myself from an individual like you. Unless you actually have something useful to say instead of stupid stuff like "I'm calling you out on your bull" like you are this conversational hero, we are finished.

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Have a nice day.

What's an Ozma mount? Never heard of it.

Edit: Seriously what is that?