How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

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Originally Posted by Dirwen

How do you know if it's your computer or the internet that is the problem? I always see myself dodging mechs but still get hit so there must be a delay and unsure if its my computer or the net.

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Resource Monitor records your latency. When I see my latency spike suddenly to 300~400ms, that's my Internet. Not my computer. I can check my CPU and GPU temps anytime I want; they don't spike high even when I've been gaming all day and remain constant when the game is active. Sure it's hotter when I'm gaming compared to when my laptop is idle, but that's the case with any computer. The temps aren't critically high. It's easy to tell if you know where to look.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

And this is why FFlogs is Toxic.

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But joining parties for content that you cannot even perform averagely in, and just expecting people to be okay with it, isn't toxic?

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

And this is why FFlogs is Toxic.

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So hitting a wall, because noone knows what's going on, is better then excluding people who are not willing/able to contribute to the team or learn the fight?

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

And this is why FFlogs is Toxic.

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Toxic for excluding people out of content that they are not ready for and will just be a burden to the group? Toxic for excluding players that just want to get carried in savage/ex? I wonder why are those that expect to be carried are not considered toxic. I wish I had taken the time to check FFlogs of those that join my o10s aim to clear last weekend, then I wouldn't have wasted so much time.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Resource Monitor records your latency. When I see my latency spike suddenly to 300~400ms, that's my Internet. Not my computer. I can check my CPU and GPU temps anytime I want; they don't spike high even when I've been gaming all day and remain constant when the game is active. Sure it's hotter when I'm gaming compared to when my laptop is idle, but that's the case with any computer. The temps aren't critically high. It's easy to tell if you know where to look.

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Thanks to you I learned about Resource Monitor. Now I can use it to check when the next time I start the game.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Why? If you're joining somebody else's party and you don't meet their expectations (and we know there are varied expectations, like being a Lala, a SAM, etc.), they have the right to kick you out of their group. If you join their party, and you are holding them back or causing the fight to go on longer than necessary, then they have a right to kick you. That's not toxicity. You just don't meet their expectations.

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I'll consider FFlogs toxic until it becomes opt in rather than opt out. You've no evidence they are holding you back you've just looked at website they probably don't know exists or don't want to use.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I'll consider FFlogs toxic until it becomes opt in rather than opt out. You've no evidence they are holding you back you've just looked at website they probably don't know exists or don't want to use.

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Opt in wouldn't change anything. Exluding people would exclude people without parses nontheless.

The general question is: Why is it toxic to say someone is playing below a needed personal skill level but not toxic to sneak into content who is beyond your own skill level and experience?

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I'll consider FFlogs toxic until it becomes opt in rather than opt out. You've no evidence they are holding you back you've just looked at website they probably don't know exists or don't want to use.

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Generally, though, when someone with green/grays joins a party, their performance well matches what you've seen on the site. I do sometimes check when people join PFs I'm in, and they usually do a pretty good job of living up to what their logs show. And this is for any percentile, not just the low ones. Having a few low parses but several average or above average ones is one thing; having nothing but low is another.

I consider people who try to sneak into farm parties or weekly 2-chest parties that have no idea what they're doing in the content pretty inconsiderate. Some people may be okay with carrying them, but not everyone. And not everyone should be expected to, either.

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Originally Posted by Dirwen

Thanks to you I learned about Resource Monitor. Now I can use it to check when the next time I start the game.

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Not a problem. To open it, I generally do it through Task Manager > Performance tab. There should be an option to open it at the bottom beneath all the pretty graphs showing your performance/usage. TCP Connections will show you your latency to any applications that are using your network. Just look for FFXIV.exe; there are usually two entries for it. The first one will be your latency to the server.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I'll consider FFlogs toxic until it becomes opt in rather than opt out. You've no evidence they are holding you back you've just looked at website they probably don't know exists or don't want to use.

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Really? Is that your only reason? Because it's opt out? By that logic, the Duty Recorder is toxic too because it requires an opt-in from all 8 party members. It's not toxic to exclude under-performing party members. From what I've seen and heard, this seems to be one of the only big MMOs where people coddle the weak links because they got kicked. I find that pretty insulting. If a person sucks, they suck? Why sugarcoat it? If people don't like being held up to that standard, then stop joining PF parties and make friends and do it with them.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Really? Is that your only reason? Because it's opt out? By that logic, the Duty Recorder is toxic too because it requires an opt-in from all 8 party members. It's not toxic to exclude under-performing party members. From what I've seen and heard, this seems to be one of the only big MMOs where people coddle the weak links because they got kicked. I find that pretty insulting. If a person sucks, they suck? Why sugarcoat it? If people don't like being held up to that standard, then stop joining PF parties and make friends and do it with them.

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To be honest I'd rather play a game where people are nice and patient with each other than one people just want to be nasty to each other. Given the language you used in you own post I think you just answered you won question on how parses would be toxic.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

To be honest I'd rather play a game where people are nice and patient with each other than one people just want to be nasty to each other. Given the language you used in you own post I think you just answered you won question on how parses would be toxic.

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Heh...I suppose it would be toxic, if somebody is incapable of handling criticism. There's a difference between that, y'know? Criticism, and outright harassment. But it seems that lately, too many people have started to associate criticism/advice/etc. with harassment.

What do you mean about a game where people are nice and patient? And you are playing such a game. Just because people are advocating for parsers doesn't suddenly make the niceties and patience go away in most groups. Nor it is toxic if a person who is not as good as they think they are joins another person's PF and holds the rest of the party back in a Savage raid. While current, Savage raids are not really a place to kick back and BS around unless you're with known people or the majority is fine with it. Telling somebody 'hey, you forgot to leave up heavy thrust', or 'the boss leaves the battlefield at this time, don't waste your Aetherflow for the 3 seconds you'll be able to use it' or even 'can you please use defensive cooldowns for this tank buster' are not toxic. Yet the way some people complain about it, you'd think they'd have been personally insulted.

If you want a game where it's like that 100% of the time all the time...well, I dunno what to tell you. Even Roblox has toxicity. But if you find it, good luck. When you have a farm party for Suzaku Ex, and the description says 'Healer LB3' strat, it's time to admit that there is a problem.