Possible level/story jumps....really?

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

For people that say it's not Pay to Win, don't forgot that using the potion you also get 300k, chocobo feather, and complete i70 gears to start. Meaning you can jump right in the game. For people who can't offord or pay for the potion, they are at a disadvantage. Person with paying for the potion will always be ahead of the game.

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Disadvantage in regards to what? By the time the person who levels normally hits 60 they'll be have acquired far beyond i70 gear and much much much more than 300k gil. And how will they always be behind? There is a cap to what you can achieve gear wise and it resets ever other major patch. Gil comes and goes depending on your nack for it. A 300k handout isn't going to last anyone long if they have no talent for managing gil and profit, that person leveling normally could easily outstrip the boosted player's fortune by millions.

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Originally Posted by Leowilde

I'll just say this: enabling players to straight out skip levels is the start of a very bad path. Nothing the devs have said earlier have actually frightened me, but this does. I really do not like this direction they're considering.

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I couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Disadvantage in regards to what? By the time the person who levels normally hits 60 they'll be have acquired far beyond i70 gear and much much much more than 300k gil. And how will they always be behind? There is a cap to what you can achieve gear wise and it resets ever other major patch. Gil comes and goes depending on your nack for it. A 300k handout isn't going to last anyone long if they have no talent for managing gil and profit, that person leveling normally could easily outstrip the boosted player's fortune by millions.

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The person that bought the potion to max level can grind the tomb faster since they already hit max level. Yes Tomb have a cap, but the person that bought the potion can grind the highest currency of tomb on day one since they are already max level and skip all the contents.

On the other hand the person level normally take much longer to reach max level. By the time they reach max level, let say 2 - 3 Months. They lose out on a big chunk of the tombstone to buy the highest gears. The other person reach max level already grinding away those tomb already have their character at max ilevel and already raiding and already gearing up their 2nd character to almost max ilv too by the time the person who didn't bought the potion still struggling to reach max level and full story quest.

Do the math and you will understand.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

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If you stopped and considered how gearing and patch cycles work in this game you'd realize that your point is not an issue. Both players will get to the same point and reach the same ilvl with the same gear and once the tome reset happens when the next currency comes out nothing will have mattered. It is no different than if we both started on the same day and I leveled much faster than you, are you now disadvantaged because I am now level 60 and you are still level 20? Players will always be higher level than others. I suppose you could argue that the person who leveled faster earned it, but really what exactly did they do other than player more. In which case the person who is level 20 and plays more will more than likely still end up outpacing the person who is now a boosted 60. What matters is if things give other players an unfair advantage that cannot be overcome by playing the game. In this situation, the person leveling normally will catch up and has all the potential to surpass the boosted player.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

For people that say it's not Pay to Win, don't forgot that using the potion you also get 300k, chocobo feather, and complete i70 gears to start. Meaning you can jump right in the game. For people who can't offord or pay for the potion, they are at a disadvantage. Person with paying for the potion will always be ahead of the game.

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That's Pay for Convenience; very mild, borderline useless, convenience. You'll get upwards of 76,000 just by doing your challenge log for the week, which can easily be done through spamming easy content. Feathers are given to anyone using Recruit-a-friend and i70 is garbage. At level 50, you want the Ironworks gear immediately. So none of those perks mean much.

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Story driven game

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Can someone explain what does it mean (if it's not just by definition)? I suppose story driven game means that doing story (and reading those text) somehow influences your gameplay. For example hints about how to beat the enemy, or hints about how to get better gear. Here you can skip all dialogs and cutscenes and just follow arrows and be completely fine.

Someone may say, that story answers me why I fight some specific enemy? So, why I fought rafflesia in t6? But I know! Because it had treasure chests with loot and some tomes, and it has nothing with the story.

is this how people argue for pay to win? because it really sounds like it. I'd rather say no now than have people argue that "we already have pay 2 win tho" to excuse boosting to just under raid gear with the 14.99 deal.

I strongly disagree allow players to skip ahead. here is another thing i use Warcraft as arguement and there a lot good reason to do it only other games that has this feature that triple aaa class. here another reason if players who push for this is players that will leave and go play Warcraft legion for example why tried please them. first off ffxiv strength is it story this basic stable yourself in your foots by devs team say i know are strength is story drive contents but we just want hurt are self by skip it. My suggest Yoshi P would hold off to see when legion drop will push for this vanish. What i believe that those push this are are Warcraft player base as soon legion is release they will return to it. see the other things is those push are more concern about end game then about story element of games. what dev in other mmo company need learn is to put they foot down and just say know to the warcraft player base when they make demand like this.

I believe this may be a move to create a game that caters to everyone. Everyone has a beginning either in ul'dah, limsa lominsa, or gridania, and at level 1. If your only desire is end game raiding with friends there's nothing stopping you. Raiding gives you gear, gear makes you stronger. So does leveling though.

I'm going to stir up some trouble undoubtedly by saying maybe the instant-gratification WOW kiddies should play action games. Seriously, if 4.0 and on is designed to be more accessible than what happened with 2.0 and 3.0 whats the problem??

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

For people that say it's not Pay to Win, don't forgot that using the potion you also get 300k, chocobo feather, and complete i70 gears to start. Meaning you can jump right in the game. For people who can't offord or pay for the potion, they are at a disadvantage. Person with paying for the potion will always be ahead of the game.

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You get i90 just from doing job quests.