SP nerfed. We were lied to.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

behest wasnt the best sp per hour, so your the one full of it

were you getting 30k+ per hour in behest? i dont think so
end of story

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If that's your experience, that's excellent. Glad you are pleased.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I would gladly try anything that gives the same sp/hour behest did pre-patch. But guess what? It doesn't exist after the patch.

Behest wasn't nerfed? Behest was probably the biggest SP nerf of them all. If they put it the way it was it was they still nerfed from what it was in 1.17c. So Yoshi lied.

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Dude.. just fail...

Like 50+ People told you allready.

Behest NEVER WAS THE BEST WAY TO GET SP/HOUR.

REGULAR SP-PARTIES ALWAYS GAVE MORE AND STILL DO.

Are you typing while your eyes are closed or something?

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

Have you tried every way to level since the patch? Have to done leves? Have you been in a grinding party for a few hours? Have you gone and done the quests in the cities that give a good bonus?

If you have not tried them on your own, not listening to everyone else, but trying on your own then you don't know if it exists.

I did feel bad for ya, but now it seems more like people are trying to help you (as rude as people are being) and you don't want to admit this far into the thread that maybe you do have other options. You keep using the same thing over and over as your big evidence that Yoshi lied: Behest

Well I'm sorry to say, but Behest =/= FFXIV, there is a whole other world out there.


Good luck. :(

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I have said so many times already that I can get SP. I can go and grind mobs. I know how to rank up. The issue is that it is far slower to rank up than it was pre-patch and that's fine except Yoshi made a letter saying it wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

"bwaaaaah they are disagreeing with me! I'm sad! I'm going to cry to mommy!"

Here's a direct translation of your post in picture form:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.co...9493659604.jpg

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lol, i must say I enjoyed that. I am annoyed that some of you take the opposition side on this issue, because what I see is that you are compelled to do that even though the outcome of supporting Kensei would improve the quality of your own time. You don't believe me? If he succeeds and the dev team responds by increasing sp gained you can take some of that time set aside from grinding and do something challenging in the game. You really have nothing to gain long-term by opposing Kensei.

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Originally Posted by odette

curiously ffxi fans defend party grind fest that leveling in two weeks is not mmo, well ffxi you can got 1 to lvl 90 in 2 days now

hard for made or search party find tank and healer class take a hours, people dont uses party finder so shout for hours is boring, people leave in half hour so
i prefer fatigue with old system that new system wher eyou kill enemies +8 level of you and give you 100 sp

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That is very curious, isn't it? FFXI fans defend the status quo blindly from what I've seen. They defend their investment in what they experienced. It's understandable, but the lack of growth beyond that is puzzling.

To all of you posting about behest - I think you're missing Kensei's point. It's not a true comparison if you compare earth hours rolling by. It would make more sense to compare an actual hour's time spent in behest to an hour spent grinding. That's the real issue, even if Kensei hasn't articulated it. Who wants to sit around grinding monsters for hours when you don't have to??

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Originally Posted by Kensei

In Letter from the Producer XIV Yoshi dedicated a section of it to discuss ranking up. I will quote parts of it.

Ever since I posted on the forums, we’ve been receiving feedback from players worrying about whether or not we’re going to be nerfing the ranking up process. The simple and emphatic answer to this, just as I posted in the forums, is no.

Well Yoshi it was nerfed in every single way. Killing mobs gives less SP, Behest gives less SP and it can't be done back to back, guildleves give far less SP per kill and the final bonus is pathetic. What the heck is the use of Guardians Favor? I was getting 83 SP per kill and it increased to maybe 89 SP with favor and the final bonus was unaffected. I tried for a while with a party and the best we were getting was 340 SP with mobs 10 ranks higher than us, the problem was that every 3 kills our CON needed an MP break because of the outrageous MP cost increases.

I don’t want there to be a huge loss of skill points imposed for dying, or for players to have to grind 5–6 hours a day for 8 months to get to the high ranks.

Well, Yoshi, with the current state of SP gains it may not be for 8 months but it will certainly take 6+ hours a day of mindless grinding to make progress a decent pace now from 30s onward.

I do think ranking up should take longer in MMOs than in non-MMOs, but I plan to make the process both possible and enjoyable for players willing to invest the time, even if they’re solo, and even by doing quests and guildleves.

Are you serious? You just nerfed SP gains which you said you wouldn't do, we are now forced to grind to make decent progress for hours which you also said you wouldn't do and I already discussed leves' pathetic excuse of SP. As for quests they would have been viable if there were more than 5 and it would be more enjoyable if a quest in Gridania didn't sent me to Coerthas and back for a grand total of 1,700 Skill Points. I could get much more grinding in the same amount of time it takes to make that walk.

Why was this done? Are you really thinking that slowing ranking up to a crawl will retain population? Because this sort of thing is exactly what made everyone quit. Considering the state the game was slowly recovering from I would think this was the last thing they would consider doing.

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The patch has been out for all of 2 days and you seem so certain that there is no good xp to be had anywhere in the game? Talk about some serious research on your part huh? Buddy, I just partied with some friends levels 36-41 at the Ixalia camp near halitali last night and was making 301-360 sp per kill. Do more homework before posting this kind of shit bud. They arent going to spoon feed you xp anymore, but its still out there to be had, your just gonna have to actually put a little effort forth now.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I know how to rank up.

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No. You dont know.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I have said so many times already that I can get SP. I can go and grind mobs. I know how to rank up. The issue is that it is far slower to rank up than it was pre-patch and that's fine except Yoshi made a letter saying it wouldn't.

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So basically you're mad because the one way you liked to rank, that you felt was the best is nerfed? Yoshi said that he would not hurt SP but it would be balanced. Yoshi also said that behest would be adjusted, just because he hurt your favorite way of leveling does not make him a liar. It just means that, unfortunately, you'll have to adjust to the new way of playing.

Also as I said this is one half of a two part fix... which is why I said it was a bit early to jump the gun and point fingers. I get how ya feel, but being pissed off a people who don't agree with ya and arguing back and forth isn't going to change that at the moment this is how the game is.

I'm gonna wait and see what happens, as I said I don't agree 100% with some of the changes but I'll see how it goes. Then in the end I'll adjust or I'll go, it's as simple as that. This isn't the first MMO created, and it won't be the last.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

lol, i must say I enjoyed that. I am annoyed that some of you take the opposition side on this issue, because what I see is that you are compelled to do that even though the outcome of supporting Kensei would improve the quality of your own time. You don't believe me? If he succeeds and the dev team responds by increasing sp gained you can take some of that time set aside from grinding and do something challenging in the game. You really have nothing to gain long-term by opposing Kensei.



That is very curious, isn't it? FFXI fans defend the status quo blindly from what I've seen. They defend their investment in what they experienced. It's understandable, but the lack of growth beyond that is puzzling.

To all of you posting about behest - I think you're missing Kensei's point. It's not a true comparison if you compare earth hours rolling by. It would make more sense to compare an actual hour's time spent in behest to an hour spent grinding. That's the real issue, even if Kensei hasn't articulated it. Who wants to sit around grinding monsters for hours when you don't have to??

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You don't know how much it means to me that someone understands. Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Biggs

The patch has been out for all of 2 days aand you seem so certain that there is no good xp to be had anywhere in the game? Talk about some serious research on your part huh? Buddy, I just partied with some friend levels 36-41 at the Ixalia camp near halitali last night and was making 301-360 sp per kill. Do more homework before posting this kind of shit bud. They arent going to spoon feed you xp anymore, but its still out there to be had, your just gonna have to actually put a little effort forth now.

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I did mention that Beastmen camps would dish out 300+ sp ( said 400 but I was damn close) because I was getting 210 solo on my 47 Lancer.. so getting 350+ in a party at that rank range is awesome.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Buddy, I just partied with some friends levels 36-41 at the Ixalia camp near halitali last night and was making 301-360 sp per kill.

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I saw that place today running, it looked like old school FFXI camp... set up get a puller and there is a ton of those mobs.

Would be ridiculous SP at 35 probably 50k/hr if spawns pop fast enough.