Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

I've never been honestly surprised that such a novice stomper as Zantetsuken or even Seiton constantly get a lot of flak for what is yes, one hit KO moves under specific circumstances. Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of those either, because they turn the game into something that's too binary. They do have counterplay (Zantetsuken especially, I see Crystal ranked SAMs flubbing one out of two at times), but there is an argument to be had whether it feels fun or not to be on the receiving end of it. I don't mind myself a lot of the time, but it can feel cheap when your job is essentially "The Job with only AOE cleaves and with no easy barriers at hand".

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Originally Posted by Valence

I've never been honestly surprised that such a novice stomper as Zantetsuken or even Seiton constantly get a lot of flak for what is yes, one hit KO moves under specific circumstances. Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of those either, because they turn the game into something that's too binary. They do have counterplay (Zantetsuken especially, I see Crystal ranked SAMs flubbing one out of two at times), but there is an argument to be had whether it feels fun or not to be on the receiving end of it. I don't mind myself a lot of the time, but it can feel cheap when your job is essentially "The Job with only AOE cleaves and with no easy barriers at hand".

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Most of these complaints come from Frontline players, and it’s pretty clear why.
The majority of casuals are on ranged jobs, sitting at a distance.
They’re not paying attention to enemy SAM the way melee players naturally do.
Instead of addressing their own lack of awareness, it’s easier for them to just blame an action and call it “broken.”
But let’s be real, they’re not the core audience for PvP balance.
That’s why this forum will keep overflowing with the same old tears.
Crying rivers won’t change the fact that balance should be shaped around people who actually engage with the fight.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Most of these complaints come from Frontline players, and it’s pretty clear why.
The majority of casuals are on ranged jobs, sitting at a distance.
They’re not paying attention to enemy SAM the way melee players naturally do.
Instead of addressing their own lack of awareness, it’s easier for them to just blame an action and call it “broken.”
But let’s be real, they’re not the core audience for PvP balance.
That’s why this forum will keep overflowing with the same old tears.
Crying rivers won’t change the fact that balance should be shaped around people who actually engage with the fight.

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I dont necessarily agree with that. I am not a casual pvper. I rotate between whm, smn and nin. sometimes war. It still sucks you can drop an AOE or dive in on a group and there's some random SAM at the fringe who gets it and you get got. Yea, ultimately it's whatever. But it's still annoying as hell. You weren't targeting them, you weren't focusing them, but they were there, at the edge.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

I dont necessarily agree with that. I am not a casual pvper. I rotate between whm, smn and nin. sometimes war. It still sucks you can drop an AOE or dive in on a group and there's some random SAM at the fringe who gets it and you get got. Yea, ultimately it's whatever. But it's still annoying as hell. You weren't targeting them, you weren't focusing them, but they were there, at the edge.

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Isn’t that the whole point of Player versus Player?
You’re not fighting against a scripted NPC that lets you endlessly run through your rotation.
PvP is about adapting on the fly.
Your approach should change depending on the situation: positioning, cooldowns, team composition, and how your opponents react.

In PvE, success often comes from refining a set sequence and executing it consistently against predictable mechanics.
But in PvP, there is no fixed script.
Your abilities aren’t just a rotation
They’re a toolkit.
The skill lies in knowing when to swap from offense to defense, when to hold a cooldown, or when to push an opening.

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Originally Posted by Valence

but it can feel cheap when your job is essentially "The Job with only AOE cleaves and with no easy barriers at hand".

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Whenever I play MCH or BRD my face turns into "The Scream" painting when I press Blast Charge/Powerful Shot and I realize I'm locked onto a Samurai who pressed chiten during my cast and I can't cancel it..!

Stop being a baby. People complaining about this are the same lovers who got chainsaw nerfed. I hate you and im not sorry.

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

Stop being a baby. People complaining about this are the same lovers who got chainsaw nerfed. I hate you and im not sorry.

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aren't you a sunny charmer lol

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Isn’t that the whole point of Player versus Player?
You’re not fighting against a scripted NPC that lets you endlessly run through your rotation.
PvP is about adapting on the fly.
Your approach should change depending on the situation: positioning, cooldowns, team composition, and how your opponents react.

In PvE, success often comes from refining a set sequence and executing it consistently against predictable mechanics.
But in PvP, there is no fixed script.
Your abilities aren’t just a rotation
They’re a toolkit.
The skill lies in knowing when to swap from offense to defense, when to hold a cooldown, or when to push an opening.

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Ehh, there's no skill involved in knowing if there is a sam on a fringe, of a 16+ player engagement

Thanks to this thread I have made an 'ignore' macro to put onto Samurais.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

Whenever I play MCH or BRD my face turns into "The Scream" painting when I press Blast Charge/Powerful Shot and I realize I'm locked onto a Samurai who pressed chiten during my cast and I can't cancel it..!

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Quick, drop the turret! But ohno, the shield pulse was too late!

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

Stop being a baby. People complaining about this are the same lovers who got chainsaw nerfed. I hate you and im not sorry.

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Wait, you miss the 5% gamba chainsaw? I managed to wipe a full team with it once, I felt very skilled for pressing that button.