I can talk about what I want to talk in this thread pertaining to venat regardless of your views on it. I am well within my forum rules to do so. You harassing a forum poster for posting in an open thread about venat is against the rules so I guess you can say what you want. I am here to talk about venat. Don't like it? Go to a different thread. Thanks.
On Venat's Role in the Story
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01-18-2023, 07:07 PMTalonk
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01-18-2023, 07:53 PMFireMageOr I can and will continue to call out your trollingQuote:
Originally Posted by Talonk
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01-18-2023, 08:13 PMTalonkQuote:
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Go ahead and you will be reported for harassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by FireMage
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01-18-2023, 08:23 PMFireMageCool, now back to you not getting the story and making up retcons where there aren't anyQuote:
Originally Posted by Talonk
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01-18-2023, 08:33 PMTalonk
Yeah about that. Did the fight not cause an accidental sundering before and now its intentional?
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01-18-2023, 08:53 PMRannie
Eh when Emet tells us about the fight between Zodiark and Hydaelyn he just said it sundered him not that it was accidental or not. Doesn't mention that the source being sundered was accidental either. And he doesn't mention her powers to be accidental when demonstrating on Ryne what happened with the source.
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01-18-2023, 09:11 PMFireMageIt was always intentionalQuote:
Originally Posted by Talonk
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01-18-2023, 09:47 PMLurina
See, think about how this could have been avoided if people had just said "yeah it's a little weird" instead of trying to seriously explore the minutia of the Sundering plot. Don't touch the scab.
That's probably not the case - or at least, they hadn't decided. Banri Oda (I think it was Oda; it might've been Yoshi-P) stated in a Famitsu interview last year that, at the time ShB was finished, the developers had no firm plan about how the Hydaelyn vs. Zodiark conflict would be resolved, including which of them would be the final villain. Meteion and the concept of dynamis also didn't exist at that point.Quote:
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01-18-2023, 10:50 PMMikkoAkureDo you have a source on that? Unless we’re having completely different readings of the same source, I don’t remember anything about Hydaelyn ever being given the possibility of being the villain. I do remember an interview where it was said that we shouldn’t take Emet-Selch at face value and to wait until we have Hydaelyn’s story, even if that didn’t exactly pay off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurina
Meteion’s child birdgirl form and story behind her wasn’t written, but the concept of a surprise end boss behind everything was by the time EW writing first began in the autumn after 5.0’s release in 2019.
The devs played around with some off-the-wall ideas but I didn’t read into this as it always having been up in the air whether or not she’s good, just possibilities that they never took.Quote:
Interviewer: In the plot at that point, were elements such as Meteion already included?
Ishikawa: The name Meteion wasn’t there yet, but the base form of what she became had been decided.
Especially since that idea contradicts against what Yoshi-P says right after:Quote:
Oda explains that the devs seek to balance delivering on players’ expectations and also having unexpected developments. Players were already expecting to fight Hydaelyn and
Zodiark, so it was debated among the devs whether to deliver the fights straightforwardly, or have a surprise development where one of them would take over the other and fight you. In the end, the team decided to go for the straightforward route, and the last boss would be something unexpected.
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Yoshida: At the residential no one thought Hydaelyn or Zodiark should be the last boss.
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01-18-2023, 10:51 PMFireMageIt has always been presented canonically as intentional. Provide IN GAME evidence otherwise as behind the scenes is irrelevantQuote:
Originally Posted by Lurina