Please lift glamour restrictions!

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Originally Posted by Vaeria

Random comeback with 0 supporting statements strikes again...oh my.

Looks like I mighta struck a personal nerve by so passionate of a reaction haha. Somehow...you try to bleed the phrase 'majority' out of my statements, as if I needed group support to back my own opinion.

Naaaaa....the likes on the original OP already did that of their own accord. Go try again.

As I stated very clearly (perhaps not clearly enough for some it seems) this is a simple artistic problem that should be a no-brainer. "More is just better." More options, more results.Yet, some want just the opposite. The phrase 'To each his own' means to let those who do want it..have it. Those who don't...then just don't utilize it.

I'm just gonna assume here you're in the 'minority' (you can argue w/e the fuggy you like, don't need to see a crispy pie chart to know its a limited view *smile*) who doesn't wanna see the glam options extended for god knows whatever reason.

Ok.

Good.

Like I said...to each his own.

The 'rest of us' (or at least as of this post 49 likie-likie people as you were so very kind to point out on OPs post)'ll just go riiiight on hoping those options get increased, k? *smile #2*

Ona sidenote though, I always find it ...laughable? ....how when a topic is used to generate support for something, there will always be that ONE person...who makes more posts than anyone else on the topic....and goes in the EXACT opposite direction of post under the blanket of 'personal opinion' ....all while being too lazy to simply make a post of his/her own. (aaand ya Miste...the majority of people who posted for this specific topic are in favor of the additional glams verses those who aren't. Go count em.)

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I always find it ....laughable?....how when a topic is used to generate support in a discussion forum (not a soap box), some think that because you might not agree you aren't allowed to post in that topic to debate the topic civilly or maybe even come up with compromises to try to make the game better for everyone. Seems lazy to me that some just want their idea wholly accepted and not have to discuss it with people that may not agree.

I'm not even sure this post is worth responding to at all actually....since you seem to think that when I said majority I only meant this topic. As I stated, very clearly, (perhaps not clearly enough for some it seems) I meant the whole subscribing player base and the idea that neither of us knows what the majority opinion is...and you can argue w/e the fuggy you like about it? It makes no difference to me so go try again.

My initial response to you still stands. It is pointless to argue who has majority and it is pointless to swim in hypocrisy by saying those well-known quotes about not being judgemental about other people's likes/preferences and then laughing at them for it.

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Originally Posted by Vaeria

stop trying to forced that 'I only want limited creative options and I want others subjected to this rule too' viewpoint on others.

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Oh, and 'Stop trying to force that 'I only want unrestricted creative options and I want others subjected to this rule too' viewpoint on others.' I tweaked it a bit, but sound familiar? You might want to look closely at what I am showing you here.

PS. In case you don't understand what I mean. I am showing you that you are trying to do the exact same thing you are telling others not to do


PSS. Did you actually go through this entire thread and count them? O.o Sorry but I won't go count them I don't think I'd want to waste that much time considering it has nothing to do with my points

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Originally Posted by Enur

While there is one single phrase aknowledging that the hellsguard tribe were known for their skills with axes and swords i have found no other line in the book recognizing warriors use of any other weapon than the axe.

Besides it would go against the iconography that the devs have been trying to push, with no longer producing shields for anything but paladins and removing paladins daggers- they seem to want to keep the weapon types tied to a single job. Also it would be too much work having to redo every single warrior animation to make them fit a greatsword.

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One line mentioned about axes. Okay. Why would that move not work with a great sword? Cloud's Buster Sword is easily larger and heavier than basically every axe I have seen thus far in game. Let us not forget that paladins are getting to mog invisible shields!

Can you quote anything wherein that says that axes are essential to marauders with in-game lore?

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Originally Posted by Domeric

One line mentioned about axes. Okay. Why would that move not work with a great sword? Cloud's Buster Sword is easily larger and heavier than basically every axe I have seen thus far in game. Let us not forget that paladins are getting to mog invisible shields!

Can you quote anything wherein that says that axes are essential to marauders with in-game lore?

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Butcher's Block, Eye, Path, maim, Brutal swing... all of those moves were designed for a weapon with a long haft, as well as an extremely heavy head, due to both the hand placement as well as the movement of the weapon itself. Inner Beast would look extremely awkward as well, not to mention Decimates spinning ax slam and Fell Cleaves animations.

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Originally Posted by Vaeria

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You can cut out the snark and insults. It's really hurting any chance you could have of being taken seriously. People shouldn't need to wade through all that vitriol to find if you had any point buried in there. But I think I found the nearest thing you had to a point here:

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Originally Posted by Vaeria

"More is just better." More options, more results.Yet, some want just the opposite. The phrase 'To each his own' means to let those who do want it..have it. Those who don't...then just don't utilize it.

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That might be true, if we were talking about adding more. This thread, however, doesn't suggest adding anything. It's proposing to take away a feature that many people care about in order to use its items elsewhere instead. For people who don't care about job gear and just want a few more generic items, then yes, it represents getting a few more generic items they can use however they'd like. But for people who want job gear, that whole feature would be taken away entirely. And that's a pretty bad trade-off.

When I complete my next White Mage quest, I want to be able to wear the iconic set that identifies me as a fully trained White Mage. You're proposing that I should no longer be allowed to do that. Sure, I could wear a robe that coincidentally happens to be white and coincidentally happens to have red triangle trim, but if this request were approved, then it would no longer be a White Mage robe, just another random generic robe that anybody of any class/job could wear.

It's equally true of all other jobs, of course. (I really just picked WHM as my example because its robe is easy to describe.) We're currently allowed to show off our position as a White Mage, or as a Dragoon, or as an Alchemist, or whatever. If all class/job glamour restrictions were removed (even for AF) then we would no longer be able to do that. The visual identity of the different jobs would be lost.

And sure, there are some players who don't really care about that loss. But saying that those who do should lose an entire feature of the game (and of the franchise) just so that those who don't can get a few more random items is most certainly not "To each his own". You can't just "not utilize" a loss of something you're no longer able to do.

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Originally Posted by Domeric

Can you quote anything wherein that says that axes are essential to marauders with in-game lore?

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Why am I explaining this to a Warrior that has done these quests is beyond me. This is upto Level 52, your Class and Job are all about the use of an Axe, all the way back to the Ancient Teachings...

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My First Axe

As a new student of the axe, you are bid by the hulking Roegadyn to waste no time in testing the edge of your chosen weapon in combat.

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Axe in the Stone

Axemaster Wyrnzoen wishes you to experience a traditional marauder training method.
Broenbhar explains that marauders develop strength and precision by splitting rocks with their axes. To try your hand at this traditional training method

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Brutal Strength

the next challenge to fall to your axe.
Skapfghim seems satisfied with your boulder-breaking axe swing.

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Bleeder of the Pack

You are now recognized as the exemplar of marauder strength, and the entire guild stands ready to support you in your quest to slay the monstrous Kujata. Keep your axe blade keen and your skills sharp as you await the next sighting of the murderous aurochs.

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Bringing Down the Mountain

Wyrnzoen, having imparted to you all the knowledge of axecraft that he possesses, bids you venture beyond the teachings of the guild.

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Better Axe Around

As if by fate, you come upon an axe that is quite unremarkable outside of the crudely engraved letters “MH” on its haft. Could it be the weapon once wielded by the legendary Mythril Heart? Present it to Broken Mountain and see if it serves as proof that the stories were not mere faerie tales.

Broken Mountain declares the weapon to be that of the legendary Mythril Heart, proving that the stories he discovered were true. Convinced of the hero's existence, he agrees to resume his studies of the ancient tomes in order to unlock the secrets of Mythril Heart's techniques─though he also acknowledges that the techniques are like to rouse the inner beast like none before.

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All of this is ingame, in the quest journals and dialogs themselves. The Weapon is tied to your Inner Beast. It is the very definition of your Job.

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Originally Posted by Domeric

One line mentioned about axes. Okay. Why would that move not work with a great sword? Cloud's Buster Sword is easily larger and heavier than basically every axe I have seen thus far in game. Let us not forget that paladins are getting to mog invisible shields!

Can you quote anything wherein that says that axes are essential to marauders with in-game lore?

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Almost every single marauder quest talks about how they love their axes. The guildmaster is called Axemaster Wyrnzoen for a reason.
They love their brutal, heavy, rock-smashing weapons.

You seem to be in denial about something though, just because it isnt ingame; as long as the lore is from an official source, its canon.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Butcher's Block, Eye, Path, maim, Brutal swing... all of those moves were designed for a weapon with a long haft, as well as an extremely heavy head, due to both the hand placement as well as the movement of the weapon itself. Inner Beast would look extremely awkward as well, not to mention Decimates spinning ax slam and Fell Cleaves animations.

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None of those can't be adjusted for other weapons which are also

A: long

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B: Heavy

which basically every single greatsword in ffxiv is.

A bard could also pick up a gun right? Both bows and guns can shoot. But would it still be a bard? I dont think so.

In the same vein if one were to use their own aether in combination with a greatsword would they still be a warrior? No. They would be a dark knight.

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Originally Posted by Enur

A bard could also pick up a gun right? Both bows and guns can shoot. But would it still be a bard? I dont think so.

In the same vein if one were to use their own aether in combination with a greatsword would they still be a warrior? No. They would be a dark knight.

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I'm not asking to use aether. I'm asking to use a greatsword.

Sigh...

I love how topics get so derailed in this forum.

I said this before, but in 1.0 with the exception of the weapon, any class could equip any piece of gear regardless. Sure it was glamor and it hurt stats, but it was glamor. Weapons without a doubt should only stay with that class. If it bothers you so much that clothes can be glamoured to look like armor, mages robes, vice versa, then don't change your appearance. No one's putting a gun to your head. Rock what you want. Give people a chance to rock their own styles.

Now if you wanna talk about Zantetsuken-like weapons for each class, lets do it!

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Originally Posted by Domeric

I'm not asking to use aether. I'm asking to use a greatsword.

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If you wanna use a Greatsword, roll a Dark Knight.

Weapons should just remain on the class of choice. A Bard shouldn't be allowed to equip daggers ever. We weren't initially suggesting weapons - just clothes. It was an absolute mess in FFXI... lets not go back to that system.

I really think some of these posters also need to eat a Snickers too.