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Originally Posted by Laf

Pre-alpha you mean? Alpha version can have working mechanics and made into game, if you ignore poor code and bugs.


Oh, I should have noted I speaking game's content/functionality vise, devs still struggling to fix/make basics of the game. I can't be anything higher than alpha.

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You mean the basics which they have stated can't be so easily fixed because of the original design teams database structure and poor choices. I think that's what you mean... Hmm wonder why they are making v2.0? Because they are changing the engine and database design so they can implement these things in a non-complex messy sloppy half-assed way.

Reading, you need to does it gooder.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

You mean the basics which they have stated can't be so easily fixed because of the original design teams database structure and poor choices. I think that's what you mean... Hmm wonder why they are making v2.0? Because they are changing the engine and database design so they can implement these things in a non-complex messy sloppy half-assed way.

Reading, you need to does it gooder.

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In short: current FFXIV nothing near finished.

It's their own fault hiring crappy devs and costumers shouldn't be paying extra for someone else mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Laf

In short: current FFXIV nothing near finished.

It's their own fault hiring crappy devs and costumers shouldn't be paying extra for someone else mistakes.

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Ok, but.. if they decided to remake the entire game from the ground up (essentially they have). Then you could always argue that it's nothing near finished until the new version is released, because they are rebuilding the game. That's essentially what you're arguing.

They announced V2.0 but this isn't V2.0 so the game isn't complete.

I dono, I understand what you're saying... but to me V2.0 is like an expansion of the current game.

Let's use the ever-hated WoW as an example... to me it's like saying; "I'm not going to buy WoW [Vanilla, BC, etc etc.] until all the expansions are released because it's not a complete game yet". MMO's are games of constant change, I accept V2.0 as a free expansion, that's my take on it. We get to see exclusive content, progress characters, earn gil, be the first to touch content, complete achievements that will be forever lost once the new version is released and maybe more.

Yeah but, the key difference between this game and WoW is WoW actually had enough content to be considered a game upon release... Even now a year later this game doesn't count yet.

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Originally Posted by Pyrix

Yeah but, the key difference between this game and WoW is WoW actually had enough content to be considered a game upon release... Even now a year later this game doesn't count yet.

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And this is really the heart of the matter. This is nothing like waiting until "x" amount of expansions are out to consider a full game. FFXIV STILL doesn't even have a mailing system or a search function. It doesn't have commands for linkshells. It's missing a LOT of core mechanics. WoW was not missing these at launch. WoW was not broken at launch. WoW was not broken a year after launch. FFXIV was and is. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Laf

What is it when?

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Passed it's retail release. It may not be complete, but as soon as the developers say the beta period is over, then it's no longer a beta.

lol @ ppl who thought this is a beta, when the Dev's never ever mention or giving any official statement that this is beta. ~_~

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

lol @ ppl who thought this is a beta, when the Dev's never ever mention or giving any official statement that this is beta. ~_~

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Although being that I was in the beta, I did get a message that said he beta period was coming to an end. I think it was about a year ago...

Hmmm.. for me? it depends on next update~ if i like it so much? i'll pay :D Like this if u have the same opinion .

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Although being that I was in the beta, I did get a message that said he beta period was coming to an end. I think it was about a year ago...

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Gosh, you really love to argue and you really love symantics don't you.

Since this is not a beta and refering to it offends you so much. What do you deem a sufficient quick way to describe the game we are playing, which is essentially a test build.