Who is gonna raid now with the iLvl 110 gear handed to people??

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

And you sounds like one of those entitled casuals that wants all the loot with no effort.

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Actually, no. I haven't even participated in hunts. I'll get loot when I find the group to get it, and that's fine with me. The only reason I'm "casual" now is because I'm tired of being the hardcore, because it doesn't get you anywhere but frustrated and stressed.

Like I've said twenty times now, if you forget about the people around you, and focus on what YOU are doing/earning, you'll be a lot happier.

Edit: The only thing I really "want" in this game is Lightning's hair and Garuda HM bow, because vanity. :P

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Originally Posted by Velhart

The discussion isn't really about what the person next to you is wearing. It is the argument of design choices by SE in acquiring top level gear. It is an understatement that patches like 2.1 and 2.3 loosen things up a bit and offer more convenience, but the question is, when does it go too far? On our side of the debate, we believe Hunts rewarding Sands/Oils of Time is giving too much. Places like CT is fine where you are lotting against others and you are locked out for a week on it. Limitations and borders have to be set up to create balance in progression. The way Hunts are set up now, the said borders for the most part do not exist. Don't bring the topic to "shouldn't care what someone else is wearing", this is all about general problems in game design.

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And I'm telling you nobody cares except what loot is coming their way and no preference where it's coming from. The exact same attitude happens when lock outs are lifted.

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Originally Posted by Elven

And I'm telling you nobody cares except what loot is coming their way and no preference where it's coming from. The exact same attitude happens when lock outs are lifted.

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This 44 page discussion says otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

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First of all, max ilvl =/= best gear. You will need to do Coil2 to get BiS. Anyways, you caring about how someone else obtains gear is very childish lol Do you booboo, don't worry about anyone but you unless you're trying to help them. Some people just aren't available for statics OR prefer to get great strong gear before starting their Coil2 raids.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

This 44 page discussion says otherwise.

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That's because guys like you think it's an entitlement and it just annoys you people are able to gear up without raiding coil.

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Originally Posted by Elven

That's because guys like you think it's an entitlement and it just annoys you people are able to gear up without raiding coil.

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Preach gurl. *snaps*

No one cares that they can get the same level gear. The point is that it creates an illusion that the player completed certain things, so you expect a certain level of play. If you set your PF for item level 105, shall we say, you would expect to get some people who know their way around and have beaten some of the harder fights.

But now, you have people joining groups that have only done some dungeons and hunts, know nothing about the more challenging fights, who join the parties expecting to learn or get carried when you were looking for seasoned experienced players. Then you waste your time finding out that they in fact have no clue what's going on and have to start all over again.

Everyone's time is valuable. Having peoples item level appropriate to the content they are clearing helps to ease finding the type of group you want. Having all item level accessible to anyone (example normal dungeons anyone can do and hunting aka whackamole) just totally defeats the purpose.

See Makado I can reason with that as it is true. To counter that issue though, just threaten to kick after two mistakes. It usually works out fine for me when I make groups. People hate being publicly shamed/embarrassed lol

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Originally Posted by Makado

No one cares that they can get the same level gear. The point is that it creates an illusion that the player completed certain things, so you expect a certain level of play. If you set your PF for item level 105, shall we say, you would expect to get some people who know their way around and have beaten some of the harder fights.

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Judging people's skill by their item level was never smart. If you set your minimum item level in PF to 105, you should expect to get people who fulfill that item level requirement, nothing more. If you don't want people who don't know the content yet, don't check the "Newcomers welcome" box and put "Please have experience with the fight" in the PF comment.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Judging people's skill by their item level was never smart. If you set your minimum item level in PF to 105, you should expect to get people who fulfill that item level requirement, nothing more. If you don't want people who don't know the content yet, don't check the "Newcomers welcome" box and put "Please have experience with the fight" in the PF comment.

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While I understand the point you're trying to make, I don't agree with it. What Makodo is explaining is that it keeps people from "spinning their wheels" by having a particular item level cap on the content yet people still worming their way in and being inexperienced with the content. What you're saying is that he should do that anyway and expect it... which I feel is a bit of an unreasonable request. How else does one suppose to filter things to their preferences with deceptive "fence jumping" in play?