How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

Yeah just switch sam now cuz it's definitely not gonna change.

Remember ninja when it came out?

Btw remember double weaving geirskogul into nastrond for the impossible 4 Nastronds per LotD?
You can double weave them with minimal to 0 delay. If only we could raise BotD to 31 seconds xP
Try it for the lulz. Had lots of fun in susano today, cool fight to push LotD.

"Would you even be able to bring something like Dragon Sight into SSS? Been awhile since I poked one of those things."

Yea technically you can, you can have your companion out during SSS, though not sure if the companion would affect your final numbers

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Originally Posted by Jonay

"Would you even be able to bring something like Dragon Sight into SSS? Been awhile since I poked one of those things."

Yea technically you can, you can have your companion out during SSS, though not sure if the companion would affect your final numbers

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Just put him in passive stance, so he doesn't attack the dummy

People saying "rip DRG" based on a parse that lasted like ... 40s ? It's not even a parse, you don't even enter LotD

I've been noticing that when coming out of LOTD phase you can sneak in an extra gerisokgul but ONLY when looking out how many eye stacks you have if you have two or more hold it or you will be waiting 11 second or so before entering LOTD if you have one stack you can squeeze in one without having to wait when you hit max eye stacks

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Originally Posted by Tyrius

I've been noticing that when coming out of LOTD phase you can sneak in an extra gerisokgul but ONLY when looking out how many eye stacks you have if you have two or more hold it or you will be waiting 11 second or so before entering LOTD if you have one stack you can squeeze in one without having to wait when you hit max eye stacks

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I do follow one simple rule : if geirskogul will pop up more than 9s after your 4th jump, hold it. That being said, i can squeeze 2 geirskogul in my rotation before entering LotD with a thrid one. After that, it line up nicely : 1 free geirskogul, 1 for entering LotD (with it always going off CD as I hit 4th Gaze and 30s on BotD)

I don't know if it's been talked about much, but what's the recommended course of action for those with high ping rates as far as double weaving goes? I have characters on NA and EU servers and while the EU ping is slightly better for me, I've noticed periods of serious eating into the GCD when double weaving.

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Originally Posted by Tyrius

I've been noticing that when coming out of LOTD phase you can sneak in an extra gerisokgul but ONLY when looking out how many eye stacks you have if you have two or more hold it or you will be waiting 11 second or so before entering LOTD if you have one stack you can squeeze in one without having to wait when you hit max eye stacks

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I don't know, on dummies I just pop Geirkogul on cd and it lines perfectly with blood for blood + -2 or 3 seconds. Same for fights with lots of uptime I guess. You just end up delaying LotD activation to do it under b4b but the way you do it you just miss B4B and still get the same amount of eyes right?
For fights when you know there's a break sure this is the way to go. But if it's the boss is going to be there for a while I see no reason not to use that geirksogul and then use Geirskogul+2Nastronds under blood for blood.

So has anyone figured out a rotation that leads up LoTDall the way to when it wears off? curious to see what everyone has come up with so far

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Originally Posted by Gailo_P

So has anyone figured out a rotation that leads up LoTDall the way to when it wears off? curious to see what everyone has come up with so far

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Thendiel posted something some pages ago so here it is

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Originally Posted by Thendiel

HT (BL + BotD) ID (BFB) Dis (Dragon Sight) CT (Jump) WhT (GK + Mirage Dive) [15s on BotD with 1 DG] F&C (SSD) [22.5s on BotD with 1 DG] TT (DFD) VT (Mirage Dive + LifeS) [17.5s on BotD with 2 DG] FT – F&C [22.5s on BotD with 2 DG] WhT [30s on BotD with 2 DG] HT – ID – Dis – CT – WhT (Jump) F&C (Mirage Dive) [30s on BotD with 3 DG] TT – VT (GK) FT – F&C – WhT – HT – ID – Dis – CT – WhT – F&C (Jump) TT (Mirage Dive) [27.5s on BotD with 4 DG] VT (LifeS) FT (SSD) F&C – WhT (GK) [LotD activates! 30s] HT (BFB) ID (Nastrond + Mirage Dive) [25s on LotD with 1 DG] Dis – CT – WhT – F&C (Nastrond) TT – VT (Jump) FT (Mirage Dive) [7.5s on LotD with 2 DG] F&C (Nastrond) WhT – HT [LotD deactivates! ??s on BotD with 2 DG] ID – Dis (GK) – etc.

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What stats are people pushing with Materia? I assume crit and direct hit are what we want to stack but how much skill speed do we need atm?

Go for crit/direct hit yeah, you're gonna have way too much skillspeed no worries.

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Originally Posted by Shamox

Go for crit/direct hit yeah, you're gonna have way too much skillspeed no worries.

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Are you sure about crit? Seems like going from like 15 to 18% crit isn't that big of a deal. Anyone test det yet?

Hey guys, I just finished leveling my DRG yesterday and recorded 2 videos of how the rotation should be in my opinion, dummy scenarios ofc. I'm pretty confidence to say there is little more to optimize but if you see anything that could be handled better, please don't hesitate and quote me!

DRG 4.0 Rotation
DRG 4.0 Rotation Delying SSD

The second one delays 2nd and 3th SSD in order to make it enter in the 2nd B4B and later on to make his Mirage Dive to enter in the 3th B4B window.

In the first one the 3th SSD and his Mirage is buffed with Dragon Sight instead of B4B and the 2nd SSD isn't buffed at all, but no need to delay SSD.

Sorry for my english, tried my best to explain myself <3

You're using geirskogul way too late in the opener, you should use it first before any jumps.

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Originally Posted by Shamox

You're using geirskogul way too late in the opener, you should use it first before any jumps.

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I've tried both late and early geirskogul, and it doesn't change anything for me. Both come close to 4000DPS +/- 100 depending on crit

On a dummy you might, on an actual fight, it might delay your Lotd/B4B.C

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Originally Posted by Shamox

On a dummy you might, on an actual fight, it might delay your Lotd/B4B.C

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It doesn't change anything (for me), B4B always line up with LotD and buff 2 Nastrond + 2 Mirage Dive + 1 jump

What should DRG DPS be on average at 310 ilvl on Lakshmi? I have been neck and neck with my MNK at 2.6k - 2.7k on full fight clears. Then I look at RDM / MCH and they are around 3.2k / 2.9k or so respectively. Same ilvl.

Did DRG and MNK get hit that hard? I've been DRG and clearing relevant content since ARR but I've never struggled so much in terms of DPS.

P.D. I am mostly going fot crit or direct hit if I can on my melds. Thanks for any advice, I'm just a little worried since I love my class.

Guys whats the new rotation for drg? I am trying to build eyes and fire of Nastronds/GK as much as I can yet while retaining the 3.X rotation but my dps sucks. So if any of you had a pic/vid with the rotation that'd be nice, ty!

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Originally Posted by Ninjah2r

Guys whats the new rotation for drg? I am trying to build eyes and fire of Nastronds/GK as much as I can yet while retaining the 3.X rotation but my dps sucks. So if any of you had a pic/vid with the rotation that'd be nice, ty!

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https://youtu.be/2MOWcM7PoIo
This is what i'm doing actually, got around 4Kdps each time

Alright thanks i'll try that out ;)

On our 310 verity belt. If you put in a rank 6 crit materia it only gets 34/40 out of it. Worth the minor stat loss to max crit or stuff in a full 40 point direct?

So where does DRG stand now in comparison to other DPS. I've heard a lot of people say we're the weakest DPS now. Is this true? ;-;

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Originally Posted by ValeriaL

What should DRG DPS be on average at 310 ilvl on Lakshmi? I have been neck and neck with my MNK at 2.6k - 2.7k on full fight clears. Then I look at RDM / MCH and they are around 3.2k / 2.9k or so respectively. Same ilvl.

Did DRG and MNK get hit that hard? I've been DRG and clearing relevant content since ARR but I've never struggled so much in terms of DPS.

P.D. I am mostly going fot crit or direct hit if I can on my melds. Thanks for any advice, I'm just a little worried since I love my class.

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At 314 I do around 3600 class depending (between 3500 and 3700 depending on the other classes)

DRG traded in its personal dps for support dps so take that as you will but as you practice more you will start to do more. As long as you can clear the fight, no need to worry too much.

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Originally Posted by Ralos

So where does DRG stand now in comparison to other DPS. I've heard a lot of people say we're the weakest DPS now. Is this true? ;-;

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DRG in a vacuum is now 7th, so 3rd from the bottom. The idea was to give them a lot of offensive support but I do not think it panned out the way the development team intended. That being said we have yet to hit the content that requires any real skill so it really doesn't matter atm. The only thing that is being hurt right now is peoples egos (and mine, as a dragoon main).

so what im seeing rotation is

Battle Litany > Dragon sight > blood for blood > Blood of the Dragon > Heavy Thrust > Geirskogul > Impulse Drive > Disembowel > Chaos Thrust > Spineshatter > Wheeling Thrust > Mirage Dive > Fang and Claw > True Thrust > Vorpal Thrust > Single Ability buffer (forget name) > Full Thrust > Jump > Mirage Dive > Fang and Claw > Wheeling Thrust > repeat from heavy thrust.

I try to keep B4B, geirskogul, SSD, Jump, and Dragonfire dive off cooldown unless i know i may need them mechanically. I find it hard to work up to nastrond and if i focus too much on it i tunnel way more than i should.

cross class im using goad, invigorate, bloodbath, second wind, and diversion, think i want to rotate to true north and feint. prolly drop second winds and invigorate.

lel ye just precast everything

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Originally Posted by Shamox

lel ye just precast everything

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Im sure there are fights where you want to save CDs for phases but this is generally how i understand most dungeon bosses. i haven't tried extremes yet.

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Originally Posted by YiznoBergerFett

so what im seeing rotation is

Battle Litany > Dragon sight > blood for blood > Blood of the Dragon > Heavy Thrust

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I was talking about this.

NEVER.

You're not gonna precast every CD before pulling, you're supposed to use them inbetween your GCD during the opener, not before.

B4B and DS should be used to at least buff your FT and your F&C, if you precast it, you loose a lot of potency.

Only precast I would recommend (and i'm actually doing) is the BL, because even if you don't precast it, it ends up buffing your FT which should be buffed by your LS. So basically, it'll end up buff nothing

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

Thought so, it'd be really weird if that became the meta now.

Heavy Thrust > Battle Litany + Blood for Blood > Impulse Drive + Blood of the Dragon > Disembowel + Dragon Sight > Chaos Thrust > Spineshatter Dive > Wheeling Thrust > Life Surge > Fang and Claw + Geirskogul > True Thrust > Mirage Dive > Vorpal Thrust > Jump > Full Thrust > Mirage Dive > Fang and Claw > Wheeling Thrust > Repeat

Something like this instead maybe?

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I do this : http://ffxivrotations.com/r88

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

Life Surge > Fang and Claw + Geirskogul

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No no don't LS FC always use it on FT. FC is 290 while FT is now 440. In 3.x it was fine since it wasn't a huge difference but now its killer to do so.

With the fifth combo I don't think its worth delaying it by 10sc either.
Rn it usually align correctly depending of your gcd.

Yeah 10 seconds can be a pain, but I think that the extra 150 pot is worth it in the end. I mean we wont really know for sure until all the math is broken down.

God I hate our SS. I have like 1600 at i310. In some ways it's sorta cool because unlike Monk, Samurai, or Ninja, Dragoon does not have an attack speed buff. But also, RIP our crit rate. Though at this early in gear progression, with a projected 0.01% per point we're gonna be between 12-13% no matter what

My opener is as follows (with potion)

Heavy thrust > BL + BotD > Impulse drive > Dragon sight* + B4B > Disembowel > Potion > Chaos Thrust > GSK > Wheeling > Jump > Fang > Mirage > True > Spine shatter > Vorpal > Life surge + diversion** > Full > DfD > Fang > Mirage > Wheeling.

*Dragon sight can be double weaved if the person you wanna target is 2nd in the party list, which they should be, on controller. It will fall off after the 2nd wheeling thrust at the end of the rotation and depending on skill speed should be back up just after full thrust later in the rotation.

** For lakshimi since I don't typically trust healers in solo tank parties to keep the prey alive

Without potion you can move GSK and everything afterwards forwards but delay the GSK a little bit so it gets the buff from the disembowel, it probably won't work though due to the length of the animation.

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Pretty much what I'm doing too.

I am used to WoW where cooldowns last 45seconds and you pop cooldowns and start casting a 4sec cast at 3sec on pull timer. Weaving them seems better. I have not DPS'd in an mmo in a long time so I am looking forward to trying the proposed rotations and see what i like.

anyone have any macros for dragon sight? as soon as i use it, most people beat feet thinking its a mechanic.

This one works at targeting the nearest party member. I'm sure you can add a line that says /p "Dragon sight stay by me <t>" or something so they know to stick by you. In raids you'll probably want to set it to target a specific party member, but this works great for dungeons.
/micon "dragon sight"
/merror off
/tpc
/ac "dragon sight"
/ac "dragon sight"
/ac "dragon sight"
/ac "dragon sight"
/ac "dragon sight"
/ac "dragon sight"
/ac "dragon sight"
/ac "dragon sight"
/ac "dragon sight"
/ac "dragon sight"
/targetlastenemy

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Originally Posted by YiznoBergerFett

I am used to WoW where cooldowns last 45seconds and you pop cooldowns and start casting a 4sec cast at 3sec on pull timer. Weaving them seems better. I have not DPS'd in an mmo in a long time so I am looking forward to trying the proposed rotations and see what i like.

anyone have any macros for dragon sight? as soon as i use it, most people beat feet thinking its a mechanic.

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This is what I use. I have my party list sorted melee > physical ranged > magic ranged so it will prioritize a melee if there is one. I can also mouse over the tank in a pinch if necessary. It has the added benefit of not requiring me to change my active target. It's worked very well for me so far.

/micon "Dragon Sight"
/ac "Dragon Sight" <2>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <t>