Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

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Originally Posted by RemVye

I want Dragoon to have a Donkey.... where my Donkey?

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Hehe still pushing for the Donkey Knight? Too bad they closed your thread... I got a lot of enjoyment out of reading the posts in there.

The cat is happy =^,^=

and playing with yarn!!

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Originally Posted by NadienKirisame

Hehe still pushing for the Donkey Knight? Too bad they closed your thread... I got a lot of enjoyment out of reading the posts in there.

The cat is happy =^,^=

and playing with yarn!!

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They may close my posts... but they will NEVER... TAKE... MY FREEEDOM

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Donkey Knight begins. Donkey Knight rises.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Why do people keep advocating for a Wyvern, when they have not really offered a concrete solution to the balancing for the player and the pet? No matter what happens, when you have a pet, your player-character's stats ARE going to get nerfed. We've seen what a nightmare that's become for the DRG in XI - constant retweaking of the stats to try to find the sweet spot, and yet it was never found.

Nobody. Wants. That.

If Dragoon is going to get a pet, it should be only usable as a mount. Period.

For now, I am comfortable with the fact that the pet system will never be implemented before 2.0, and this should give everyone an opportunity to get accustomed to a wyvern-less DRG.

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because too many people dont think to add their damage WITH their pets. We also have seen NO pet jobs in this game, so you can't sit there and say there is balancing issues when this game doesnt even have them to begin with. get your head out of FFXI for a few mins please.

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Dragoon needs Jump. Whatever else is ok. Long as it has jump and uses spears/lances it will be a Dragoon.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

because too many people dont think to add their damage WITH their pets ...

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The same could be said about how people don't calculate in that damage reductions will be applied to both the dragoon and their pet's stats. It makes balancing damage a nightmare and se has a tendancy to make things underpowered instead of overpowered when a choice has to be made.

Not to mention the wyvern could die cutting a portion of the dragoon's power out. As stated before you could just make the wyvern invincibile, but then you'd have exploits to that. You could kite with your weapon out till your wyvern took hate, and then all you would have to do would be to sit back and watch it solo.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved my wyvern in XI, but I don't want to go through the exclusion that existed with the job for the longest time. Having to go rdm to everything b/c drg did lol damage on gods and what not. It's not a matter of thinking outside the box. The dev team clearly stated wyverns would make dragoon weaker and that balancing would be very difficult. We all know what that is going to mean for the job if the changes go through, and I have yet to see a post about balancing drg with a wyvern that has even come close to a satisfactory solution.

Someone, give that guy a box.

Time and time again myself and others provided irrefutable factual evidence to our claims regarding the traditional DRG.

I just want to say again for the last time, at no point in time DRG should ever be considered a Pet Job. They're in many eyes considered damage dealers/dragon killers. With that said, you cannot have a strong DD with a strong pet. A weak pet is a gimmick, and will lead to balancing the job. All that equals to an overall compromise to the DRG job. You'll have to keep it alive, when/if it dies some of your dps is gone, and some of your abilities is gone with it. (just a few possible examples)

Leave the pets for the real pet jobs. I simply want a DRG to have no compromise, and that solution is no wyvern pet. I want a DRG that can do everything on its own, like other iconic DRG in past Final Fantasy games. mmkay

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

because too many people dont think to add their damage WITH their pets. We also have seen NO pet jobs in this game, so you can't sit there and say there is balancing issues when this game doesnt even have them to begin with. get your head out of FFXI for a few mins please.

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the people not wanting a pet for Dragoon are not he one's that need to think outside the box, like others have said, and I have even said before, I want to see Dragoon do something different this time.

Besides what is with some of you "there are no pet jobs at all in FFXIV so give Dragoon one" uuummm no? FFXIV needs a pet job yeah, but if it is to get one, it does not need to be Dragoon, it needs to be Beast Master, or hell a new version of Puppet Master.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

the people not wanting a pet for Dragoon are not he one's that need to think outside the box, like others have said, and I have even said before, I want to see Dragoon do something different this time.

Besides what is with some of you "there are no pet jobs at all in FFXIV so give Dragoon one" uuummm no? FFXIV needs a pet job yeah, but if it is to get one, it does not need to be Dragoon, it needs to be Beast Master, or hell a new version of Puppet Master.

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are you saying. a pet class should be a pet class designed from the ground up, and not just a DD that gets given a pet to please ppl that get lonely? hmm this logic strange, next you will be saying mages should get spells or paladins should get shields

/mutters. "pet classes should get pets, whatever next"

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

The same could be said about how people don't calculate in that damage reductions will be applied to both the dragoon and their pet's stats. It makes balancing damage a nightmare and se has a tendancy to make things underpowered instead of overpowered when a choice has to be made.

Not to mention the wyvern could die cutting a portion of the dragoon's power out. As stated before you could just make the wyvern invincibile, but then you'd have exploits to that. You could kite with your weapon out till your wyvern took hate, and then all you would have to do would be to sit back and watch it solo.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved my wyvern in XI, but I don't want to go through the exclusion that existed with the job for the longest time. Having to go rdm to everything b/c drg did lol damage on gods and what not. It's not a matter of thinking outside the box. The dev team clearly stated wyverns would make dragoon weaker and that balancing would be very difficult. We all know what that is going to mean for the job if the changes go through, and I have yet to see a post about balancing drg with a wyvern that has even come close to a satisfactory solution.

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simple fix, the wyverns hate is your hate, cant exploit the "it cant die" bit. Or have a REALLY low recast, that might work too.

Simplest solution would be to just have the wyvern part of your soul like it is in almost every other instance of dragoon ff related or otherwise. To only come out as animations during buffs and attacks. I would rather be dragon-like myself than have one linked to me draining my power. Legend of the Dragoon like transformations as a high lv buff <yes, please>

Even if hate was linked to you it still doesn't change the fact that on big mobs your damage would be gimped because you're essentially giving up a noticable % of your power for a lower level companion who's stat's won't do crap against HNMs Gods etc...