Eternal Bond - Standard Plan and Gold Plan

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Originally Posted by Mikikoto

You lot are overreacting way too much. Take off the tinfoil hats alright? It's not Pay2Win, it's not 'greedy', it's not 'corrupt'.

First of all, Square -needs- money.

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People that defend will be the same people that will make FFXIV in the future. What You support, is what you will get back. Once the cash shop gets to the point where it's out of control, don't cry about it, because the people that supported it made it this way.

I am just throwing that out there for future reference. I am (and still am) a SE Fan majorly, I was fine with the Cash Shop too at first, The more I see Cosmetics ( or whatever they put in the game that CAN be put in the game for free) get put into the CS, The more it's turning me off. I like to "earn" stuff in the game. If I want that shiny new outfit, I would like to get it in-game. If they would just make all stuff available in-game with the option to buy it if you don't wanna work for it, then I would be okay with that.

I want that shiny outfit so bad that I am (emotionally) forced to buy it because it's something I really want for my character. However, I have no other options to get it outside of Spending RL money.

"Don't buy it!" "But I really want it!" "Sucks to be you then!"

That is my thoughts when I really want something from the CS ( that should be in-game) but can't. As a customer to SE, I have a right to be upset at this change ( and I don't get upset often at SE).

Shotgun wedding with Elvis-impersonating pastor in Las Vegas = standard plan
Traditional (and expensive) wedding in a grand cathedral, superb catering service, three-tiered cake & paid serenade: gold plan

...Sounds like real life to me.

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Originally Posted by Roris

Funny how the only accounts of this issue on the JP forums come from cash shop supporters, funny how those same kinds of people were saying "lol just because it got posted on the JP forums doesn't make it more valid" when they were even more vocal about the housing prices debacle over there, to try and downplay the housing bait and switch over here.

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Eh, any moderate to huge controversial topic will eventually have the question asked, "So what do the Japanese forums think about this?" since it's not a real secret that SE is willing to listen to their home playerbase first and foremost. I really wasn't paying too much attention during the whole personal housing debacle, but I know there was a lot more of the "Even the Japanese are raising hell, you KNOW you fudged up this time SE!" than "all because the Japanese are complaining doesn't mean it's an issue" type comments.

After reading all this fun arguing about whether it's fair or unfair I have to say one thing on the whole topic. First off, YES this is NOT FFXI before I get yelled at about it but as an example do any of us really even know that this is in fact going to cost money? Yes they said it will have a "price" BUT when they added it in FFXI it had a "price" but the price was gil. You signed up YES on a website first, mogstation in this case, had to have a chaperon at which you gave the money to the chaperon at the time of the wedding, and the chaperon gave the money to the representative, in this case I would assume the starting ceremony NPC. So jumping to the conclusion that it cost RL money is a horrible thing to jump to since there is a way they could easily make it cost gil, and you just have to sign up on the website/mogstation to start the whole process. You could still have to "pay" a price for the Gold plan but yet again be the case of trading the amount to an NPC for "paying" for it.

Now, on the other side of things, IF this does cost money then yes this is a horrible and poor idea on SE's side. Yet again I KNOW it is not FFXI but seriously why do this, when in FFXI there was no "plans" you had the option to Craft your gear, so if you did not want to pay the extra for the wedding dress, and the tux you could save up and have someone craft them for you, it was a great way to have your lovers name on the dress, or on your tux. Then you had your own meaningful item for the day, OR if you could not get it through crafting you could pay the extra gil to be given the dress and tux on your special day. There were no plans that seperated special things, it was ONE plan you got EVERYTHING in that one plan and had the options on the side to pay for the extra things, using GIL not real money.

My opinion on all this? Why can't they just make the best of both worlds, get rid of the stupid "plans" and just add a damn Wedding shop somewhere, with the starting NPC in there that you have to trade your stuff to for the wedding, and be able to go to the shop NPC and BUY the extra stuff with gil ONLY IF YOU WANT TO. If you want the cake? Buy it from the planner and it adds to your "account" in a sense for when the day happens. You want the mount? can't pay the gil right now? OK! Buy it later from the NPC while wearing your ring and TADA you have it! You don't want to pay for the wedding dress? OK! Give people the options to craft it and PUT their name on it for their loved ones, OR maybe it could be a wedding gift from your maid of honor, she/he could MAKE you the dress.

Seriously there are options here, and that also means there could be the option that it all cost Gil, just cause it "costs" something doesn't mean it won't cost gil just like FFXI did. Just cause we have to go through Mogstation, doesn't mean they couldn't make you just have to sign up for the "plan" and then have to trade the money to the NPC for setting the date. Stop jumping to conclusions when you don't have all the info, BUT given if it does cost money then yes this is poor planning on SE's part cause when you compare it to how they did it in FFXI nothing cost RL money. Something that is suppose to be a fun interactive thing they are adding for "friends" or "lovers" to enjoy I don't think would be stuck behind a paywall so to say. Given I could be proven wrong but it would be poor business to do this to the players, now costing a LOT of gil? This I can see, hopefully it won't be so outrageous like housing prices, but still who knows. That is just my opinion on things, do I think just cause it is on mogstation that means real money, no, could it mean that yes.

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Originally Posted by Roris

Funny how the only accounts of this issue on the JP forums come from cash shop supporters, funny how those same kinds of people were saying "lol just because it got posted on the JP forums doesn't make it more valid" when they were even more vocal about the housing prices debacle over there, to try and downplay the housing bait and switch over here.

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I'd be happy to take a photo of my JLPT N2 certificate, but you'd probably accuse me of faking that too.

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Originally Posted by Anatha

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Don't keep the tinfoil on for too long. Considering I can just drop FFXIV -if- it truly gets Pay2Win in a heartbeat and go to any other MMO in a market then no. I -know- when a company is truly fucking people over [Archeage anyone?] and this isn't even remotely near anything like $70+ for EvE's cosmetics that made the population riot. The wedding system is something that can be easily abused for an easy rare mount.


Do I agree that the dresses, hairstyles, anything outside the mount should be locked? No but the MOUNT is supposed to be a vanity which the ORIGINAL already INVOLVES IRL money to begin with. I can still raid, I can still get married, I can still get my housing so I'm still getting involved in the game as it is.

People keep bringing up FFXI, THIS IS NOT FFXI. Yoshi has 20 years of MMO Gaming. At least let SE state the entire system in detail and what the prices are going to be it could be a large amount of gil or IRL if you don't want to spend Gil for all we know.

PS: That picture is rather disgusting but hey now we know what your fetishes are.

EDIT: https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/game/wow

OH MAN WOW IS NOW PAY2WIN GAIZ!

It's supposed to be abhorrent and disturbing, which is why I said "This is what you're letting them do to you", ie. treating you in a fashion one might find appropriate for garbage.

And nice try to divert from the true matter at hand by focusing on single aspects or on an entirely off topic subject altogether.

You've posted twice and the entirety of your post history is you bending over for someone who isn't going to love you.

Uh, just to add to the jp forum stuff, one of the recent threads about it is called "charging to for contents: to what extent will you tolerate it?" OP talks about eternal bond, gives examples of other things that might happen, says they feel very uneasy about it. OP has 70 likes. YES jp players are better at keeping topic to one thread, and much like the western forums, some people like the cash shop. But there are PLENTY of jp players who are not very happy about it.

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Originally Posted by Anatha

It's supposed to be abhorrent and disturbing, which is why I said "This is what you're letting them do to you", ie. treating you in a fashion one might find appropriate for garbage.

And nice try to divert from the true matter at hand by focusing on single aspects or on an entirely off topic subject altogether.

You've posted twice and the entirety of your post history is you bending over for someone who isn't going to love you.

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No, the entirety of my post history is telling you guys to calm the hell down until we get MORE solid information before grabbing pitchforks and torches. We don't know if there will be a Gil equivalent, we don't know how much it is for plat, everything on the topic is pure assumption. I pick up and drop MMOs rather easily so saying I'm bending over for anyone is rather moot since if FFXIV IS going to entire abused cash shop route then I can just as easily take my playtime to another MMO and give them my money. The only reason I support the mount being paid is because the original mount you have to pay IRL money for to begin with in the first place which I'm going to assume is only the plat since it's 3 tiers. [Free, Gil=Gold, Plat=IRL Money for mount] I do not have solid information neither does anyone else here except SE so I'm just going to wait until they release a post detailing WHAT they are doing before I say "Hey, that's fucked up." There's always a extent to what you can bring a cash shop to, something I agree with but like I said this is SE. Voice your opinions, I'm postive they will listen but at least let them have a chance to respond before going around saying "THEY ARE TREATING US LIKE GARBAGE YAR YAR YAR".

Ugh more micro-transaction stuff. Players who support micro-transaction is like people who pay for things that are free.