The very problem with end game combat is that they require these resources to begin with. It's an arms race between players developing strategy guides for bosses and the developers trying to make ever harder bosses because players make the strategy guides. It's gotten to the point where we have fights that advertise attacks as they happen, and unless someone is a savant, they wont be able to react in time and die the first time they encounter it. This kind of thing exists in arcades so people throw more quarters in the machine and it is never to the players benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by rappa
Titan Extreme is NOT Fun
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01-05-2014, 09:57 AMColt47
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01-05-2014, 10:00 AMAstaricaThis game is like the classic trap of the arms race, similar to how originally WoW developers spent most of their time on coming up with mechanism to beat the game's own add-ons. They might as well start requiring people to also be juggling 3 balls in real life while doing extreme mode or none of your abilities will have an effect. The problem is, as one WoW developer said before, is that there are way more players than you and they're probably smarter than you to begin with, so if you're trying to outsmart them you'd just find out you lose in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt47
It really doesn't help that this game depends far more on gimmicks than actual execution for most of its difficulty. That is, there are a lot of mechanism that just don't make a lot of sense and can't be reasonably figured out by normal people. However, all it takes is one guy who figured out that is willing to share to let people know what the secret is, and then we're back to square one. -
01-05-2014, 10:23 AMrappa
Oh please, don't say you haven't problems titan's encounter if you are not defeated yet.
Now, you will talk "it's more fun leveling all class to 50, do CT all time until you get the item what do you want and other stuffs". -
01-05-2014, 11:43 AMPeptaruIf you run with the same group and 2-3 people keep dying to WoTL there won't be a clear. Oh wait... you are impatient and will cut people from a group instead of helping. This is something you'll never understand. I'll say it again for everyone who is thinking it, Titan EM is easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rappa
Leveling all classes to fifty and running CT might be fun for some people, it isn't for me, but I'm not everyone. You are also not everyone, and you are not in charge of what they are allowed to enjoy. Again, your condescension does you a disservice and makes you look like an under-informed fool. -
01-05-2014, 12:05 PMColt47I wouldn't cut someone down because they don't agree with the perspective. On the other hand, I wouldn't be offering the opinion I had if I hadn't gone through this kind of content before.Quote:
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01-05-2014, 05:48 PMHitomeHow hard is it for you to dodge a freaking puddle with sprint?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtEmisPalmecia
The only people who have a right to complain about plumes are melee. And honestly...if you can't figure out when puddles are going to pop in a scripted rotation, you probably shouldn't be doing an extreme fight. -
01-05-2014, 05:55 PMKrystalynnPeople feel entitled to victory. It's really pathetic.Quote:
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It says extreme for a reason, people.
Extreme. adj.
1. Being in or attaining the greatest or highest degree; very intense: -
01-05-2014, 07:15 PMSarcasmMisser
No one can dodge weights with 99% accuracy which is why there are groups selling runs with consistent victories, hmm yes.
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01-05-2014, 07:50 PMHitome
Just did this in DF on my WHM (read: just hit 50 a day ago). I used a macro for plumes. I'd say the overall group had a 95% dodge rate and individually based, only one person ever got hit by them. He also never died to them. Wonder why that is (thanks stoneskin!). We got to the adds on 7 attempts of our 13.
The hard part about Titan Ex is not the weights (which a lot of you are complaining about). Even if you modified the strategy where you weren't all sitting in the same spot, you could eat a plume every single time and the healers would be able to keep you up without issue.
The biggest problem people have are the adds during cross bombs from what I've seen. That is something completely within your control. Knowing when to move from bomb to bomb while dodging the landslide WHILE DPSing the adds actually takes some skill. I don't know many people who are that good at multitasking. Most people I know have to actually stop to focus dodging rather than DPSing the adds.
Anyways, as mentioned there is this word extreme attached to the fight for a reason which will always be a valid point and always one you will be pointed to when you complain about it. I know you can somehow come to terms with not being able to do this fight and still do everything else in the game. -
01-05-2014, 08:07 PMKrystalynn
Its this hard thing for some players to accept that, you can throw ten thousand people at a challenge, and maybe, a thousand of them will never complete it. We're so used to a "you must be this tall to get a prize" systems, that it honestly amazes people that, yes, they just may never be tall enough. Ever. That you may play this game for a month more, and maybe, never get that new i90 weapon at the end of the week. This can happen to me, to anyone... in any game with challenge worth its salt in design... and that should be okay.
That is fun. If it isn't fun for you, I think you've only convinced yourself of that out of grooming from game developers that expected nothing from you. So they gave you everything.