RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

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Originally Posted by Gordita

This is a baseless accusation. The things I speak of are based on fact and real incidents. Nice try though:)

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It's almost like the GMs want children to go to these places to become prey for the online predators that infest the venue scene. Makes you wonder who the GMs are if they allow advertising this stuff to children, and assist the people who do advertise it by allowing them to violate the prohibited behaviors/user agreement

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Right, you're not implicating anything here.

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Originally Posted by Gordita

It's already a well known fact that there's tons of groomers etc in XIV, in the venue scene confirmed many times over from people who are on that scene, or used to be. FFXIV is not intended for adults, its intended for people aged 13+. You want to talk about advertising, ok. These venues straight up advertise prostitution, publicly, in shout chat. They server hop, and city hop, shouting the same thing with a macro. That would be the equivalent of a brothel advertisement interrupting the 6 o'clock news, not the signs on the side of the road that say "girls girls girls". So your comparison for advertisements and party finders is way off. The venues themselves and their activities don't bother me at all , idc what people do in their private spaces etc. But advertising smut in public places where there are children is not acceptable. There's no defending it. Does fox kids have random prostitution commercials during the commerical breaks? Or the news? Or literally anywhere? No, because common sense.

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If they're openly advertising explicit "smut", then please report it. Not sure where you're hanging out that you see such things all the time but I can only recall seeing something that blatant once (and immediately reported it).

Most of the time they're using vague language without any explicit or specific references. Will an adult understand what they mean? Usually. Will a child understand? Not unless their parent has already allowed them access to explicit content, in which case seeing it in game isn't going to cause them anymore harm than has already been done to the child.

Groomers are a different subject. Are there groomers in game? Sure, they're in just about every online space. That's why parents should take more interest in their children's online activities.

Are there "tons" of groomers in game? Give me a break. One is two too many but its not the massive number you claim.

Trying to connect venue PF listings to the groomers that exist is a massive stretch. If you were a child, which of the following two PF listings would you be more likely to respond to?

"XXX-CLUB Ladies Night tonight. Find that special someone for a private dance. Siren/Goblet/wYYpZZ See you there!", or

"just started game and looking for new friends will you play with me?"

It's not the venue ads that you should be suspicious about. It's the innocuous looking ones in normal language that are dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Gordita

This is a baseless accusation. The things I speak of are based on fact and real incidents. Nice try though:)

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Then give us links to these "tons" of fact and real incidents.

Again, not denying that there are some problems out there but you're exaggerating the extent greatly. One incident is one too many but it's also nothing that will be stopped by restricting what others are allowed to do.

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Originally Posted by CVXIV

Right, you're not implicating anything here.

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This somehow justifies your basless accusation of baseless accusations? Because I'm providing genuine feedback to the developers? Ok then.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If they're openly advertising explicit "smut", then please report it. Not sure where you're hanging out that you see such things all the time but I can only recall seeing something that blatant once (and immediately reported it).

Most of the time they're using vague language without any explicit or specific references. Will an adult understand what they mean? Usually. Will a child understand? Not unless their parent has already allowed them access to explicit content, in which case seeing it in game isn't going to cause them anymore harm than has already been done to the child.

Groomers are a different subject. Are there groomers in game? Sure, they're in just about every online space. That's why parents should take more interest in their children's online activities.

Are there "tons" of groomers in game? Give me a break. One is two too many but its not the massive number you claim.

Trying to connect venue PF listings to the groomers that exist is a massive stretch. If you were a child, which of the following two PF listings would you be more likely to respond to?

"XXX-CLUB Ladies Night tonight. Find that special someone for a private dance. Siren/Goblet/wYYpZZ See you there!", or

"just started game and looking for new friends will you play with me?"

It's not the venue ads that you should be suspicious about. It's the innocuous looking ones in normal language that are dangerous.


Then give us links to these "tons" of fact and real incidents.

Again, not denying that there are some problems out there but you're exaggerating the extent greatly. One incident is one too many but it's also nothing that will be stopped by restricting what others are allowed to do.

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1 I've reported them, as stated previously
2 I never specified a "massive number"
3 why are you still talking about pf listings after being told this isn't about pf listings?
4 "xiv has a groomer problem" is the general consensus among many in the venue scene. I've been told this by a wide number of people from friends to strangers.
5 there's nothing vague about advertising hookers
6 I'm not obligated to provide the players of the forum documentation of these things, though I am very tempted to.
7 again, nobody is trying to restrict what players are allowed to do. I reinvite you to read the op and comments.

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Originally Posted by Gordita

1 I've reported them, as stated previously
2 I never specified a "massive number"
3 why are you still talking about pf listings after being told this isn't about pf listings?
4 "xiv has a groomer problem" is the general consensus among many in the venue scene. I've been told this by a wide number of people from friends to strangers.
5 there's nothing vague about advertising hookers

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It's funny because anyone whos anyone IN the Venue scene knows about the groomer problem and have lists of who not to do business with and who not to let In to your venue.

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

I mean someone literally made a thread NOT too long ago about how she'd been stalked for over 3 years and the GMs did nothing.

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Only popping in to add that stalking only seems to be handled "quickly" when it evolves into RL threats of violence/actually dangerous behavior (i.e. my case which got settled in a few days when this chick got upset that a guy she liked was into me and not her and took on my old alt's appearance & name and threatened to kill us both in response) vs people who get stalked through other means (we might be thinking of the same thread but the one where an FC (or someone in an FC) was getting stalked by someone who would sit in their house all day for months and GMs did absolutely nothing).

They seem to be pretty selective on what is and isn't worth looking into but I can't really speak on what determines it.

Okay bye. o7

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Only popping in to add that stalking only seems to be handled "quickly" when it evolves into RL threats of violence/actually dangerous behavior (i.e. my case which got settled in a few days when this chick got upset that a guy she liked was into me and not her and took on my old alt's appearance & name and threatened to kill us both in response) vs people who get stalked through other means (we might be thinking of the same thread but the one where an FC (or someone in an FC) was getting stalked by someone who would sit in their house all day for months and GMs did absolutely nothing).

They seem to be pretty selective on what is and isn't worth looking into but I can't really speak on what determines it.

Okay bye. o7

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YEP Same thread where the guy was stalking her, her old fc, and her friends and was using third party tools and mods to find them in game which we know is an insta ban and did absolutely nothing. Also I'm sorry you went through, that sounds HORRID!

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

YEP Same thread where the guy was stalking her, her old fc, and her friends and was using third party tools and mods to find them in game which we know is an insta ban and did absolutely nothing. Also I'm sorry you went through, that sounds HORRID!

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I too had a friend, on crystal, who had someone stalk and harass her in game. They allegedly used third party tools to locate them, and teleport to their side as if they were using an eternity ring. She ended up changing data centers over it, and the GMs didn't do anything about it

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

It's funny because anyone whos anyone IN the Venue scene knows about the groomer problem and have lists of who not to do business with and who not to let In to your venue.

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I would love this list. That way I can give it to the venue owner where I manage. We have only had to ban one player where I manage in game. I mean everyone is aware of all that. It's why it's common practice on aether that lalafell are sfw positions or not given any nsfw services.

You also tend to forget there legit underage players who purposely go into venues and bait them and get them in trouble. It's pretty widespread on the different issues I think in the venue community.

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Originally Posted by CVXIV

It's amusing how quickly the thread devolved into throwing baseless accusations against anyone and everyone including the GMs.

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Was wondering when you would pop up with nonsense like this. Nothing is baseless. I'm not sure why you would think so. It's down to you either wearing rose colored glasses or just trying to troll for that attention.

Trolls aside, people bringing up actual points in this particular thread.