Review of 6.3 Story Content

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

The only copy-pasted story with FF4 are just the characters alone. Nothing in the story is beat for beat a plot point from FFIV. We didnt climb Mt.Ordeals for our WoL to become a Paladin only to get ambushed by Scarmiglione, we didnt climb the Tower of Zot to save a Scion only to get ambushed by Barbariccia, the twins didnt sacrifice themselves when Cagnazzo showed up at the last minute and Rubicante didnt guard the crystals at the Tower of Babel. Again, the story presented is original with the whole aspect of the void and the 13th, just with some FFIV flavor characters slapped into it with new meaning. The FF games have done this crap before and nobody complained about it.

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We also didn't get back stabbed by Estinien cause something felt like brainwashing him again while having to deal with a deamon door all because he also has feelings the person we have high romantic feelings for. Or thar we had to fight someone's dead and semi brainwashed parents that beg us to kill them before fighting Rubicante. Though I guess the fighting dead parents part could happen in 6.4.

With 6.3 is pretty much the same old stuff. The extreme fight with the line puzzle memorization was not good because you knew that each time that puzzle came up you are stuck, like a cut scene you cannot skip. The music in the extreme fight was annoying. The 24 man trial was fine though the music and characters from the last one were more entertaining visually and vocally. The main story line was not fun to read the build up. We need more voices in the main story. Both in cutscene and out of cutscene. Otherwise I just skip the the pages of reading.

Exploring the dungeon after we beat it needs more non predictable stuff. Like this time around we knew that we have to do something non engaging to get through the dungeon. I don’t like my time is wasted with clicking and waiting on sparkling objects. Perhaps add secret items that are worth discovering. Maybe add a counter to our hud that shows us 3/7 secrets found in location. Maybe some fun easter egg moments. I’d rather my time be entertaining instead of yeah just get me out of here already so I can continue to story and get to the combat.

After seeing all the comments about FF4 it made me think that one of the reasons I am finding the MSQ so boring post 6.0 is I have no attachments to the characters they are using since I have never played FF4. It seems like some of the commentary about how good the story is comes from a bit of nostalgia from FF4 being put into FF14. Again, I just wish the post 6.0 stuff was an original story where we just set off on our own as the WoL to explore new things and places and meet new people (who could carry over into 7.0) instead of using old IP and the same characters over.

Also for those using Mr. Happy as their retort to the OP, you have to also realize that the people who watch and comment on his videos are going to be the people that love the game and aren't going to be overly critical of it, not to defend the OP's sometimes way out there opinions.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

...and I'll be playing Hogwarts Legacy.

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Obligatory: So...why are you still here then?

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Also glad to know that this game is so rich in story and content to discuss and play through that FFXIV youtubers have resorted to using my threads for videos. I suppose I should welcome the attention, nevertheless I stand by pretty much everything I've said and can only hope that the only way forward from here is up. Unfortunately me thinking that back in 6.2 did not save 6.3 from being as underwhelming as it was. I'd really like it if the game would go back to cutting out the busywork and delivering more entertaining patch stories like it did in previous expansions instead of the state of things being excused as ok "because it's filler."

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...but this I have to ping on:

Which one?

Without looking it up, can you tell me right now what happened in 2.3?

3.3?

4.3?

MAYbe you can tell me what happened in 5.3 (because it was unusually significant), but what about 5.2 and 5.4?

Yes, "filler" happens from time to time. Not everything is or was filler, and some exposition isn't bad for the slow kids in class or new players that haven't been absorbing all this lore and information for nearly a decade. Not to mention there has been new lore revealed, though you probably missed it by having your angry-goggles on as you did the MSQ. Namely, some hints at who Golbez might be and what he may have done to get there. And we also got to see the 13th - the actual world, not little sections of it - for the first time. Which is a pretty big lore reveal.

Opinions are opinions, but seriously, not every patch is a 5.3. I'd be interested in hearing you answer - without looking them up - what happened in those other patches and how they were all better than this one.

Do not waste my time like this MSQ did, shouldn't decent writers strive for better?[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Also for those using Mr. Happy as their retort to the OP, you have to also realize that the people who watch and comment on his videos are going to be the people that love the game and aren't going to be overly critical of it, not to defend the OP's sometimes way out there opinions.

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So....are you saying their opinions arnt valid?
I think its perfectly valid to have opinions on both sides. People who like the game and disagree with OP, and people who dont like the game/things about it and support OP.
I think being a youtuber/Figure and being a fan or not of said figure shouldn't have any baring on that.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Also for those using Mr. Happy as their retort to the OP, you have to also realize that the people who watch and comment on his videos are going to be the people that love the game and aren't going to be overly critical of it, not to defend the OP's sometimes way out there opinions.

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Wait, so your rebuttal is only people who are unhappy and dislike the game are allowed to offer retorts? OP linked to (mostly one poster) on Reddit (who might be his alt for all we know; he didn't link the thread so we could see if it was a common opinion or not) who dislikes the game as a source. I'm pretty sure using Mr Happy, if he's making reasonable points, is fair play. Likewise, if the people commenting on his video are making reasonable points, it is again fair play.

Them not being overly critical of the game is, itself, a rebuttal: If OP was as correct as he seems to think he is, then EW would be universally reviled. That it is not indicates that he is probably...shall we say overstating his case.

People who like a thing are allowed to be a source of rebuttal against people who dislike a thing. Imagine if we reversed this and said "Only people who like a thing may offer critiques or rebuttals, because clearly anyone who dislikes it is going to be overly critical of it and so we cannot use them as unbiased or reasonable sources, and only those that love it are going to be fair in their appraisals"? That would make no sense, either.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So....are you saying their opinions arnt valid?
I think its perfectly valid to have opinions on both sides. People who like the game and disagree with OP, and people who dont like the game/things about it and support OP.
I think being a youtuber/Figure and being a fan or not of said figure shouldn't have any baring on that.

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And here are people who are stating the OPs opinions aren't valid like you are accusing me of saying of Mr. Happy's viewers, which I am not saying. I am just saying there is a certain point of view you will get from his video comments as the more dedicated and positive part of the fanbase are going to be his viewers just like if you go to reddit you will find the more positive part of the fanbase and the official forums has the more negative part of the fanbase.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Wait, so your rebuttal is only people who are unhappy and dislike the game are allowed to offer retorts? OP linked to (mostly one poster) on Reddit (who might be his alt for all we know; he didn't link the thread so we could see if it was a common opinion or not) who dislikes the game as a source. I'm pretty sure using Mr Happy, if he's making reasonable points, is fair play. Likewise, if the people commenting on his video are making reasonable points, it is again fair play.

Them not being overly critical of the game is, itself, a rebuttal: If OP was as correct as he seems to think he is, then EW would be universally reviled. That it is not indicates that he is probably...shall we say overstating his case.

People who like a thing are allowed to be a source of rebuttal against people who dislike a thing. Imagine if we reversed this and said "Only people who like a thing may offer critiques or rebuttals, because clearly anyone who dislikes it is going to be overly critical of it and so we cannot use them as unbiased or reasonable sources, and only those that love it are going to be fair in their appraisals"? That would make no sense, either.

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Again I am not saying their opinions aren't valid, I am just pointing out that you are going to have a certain over saturated viewpoint on his videos, just like you might see a different over saturated viewpoint from a youtuber who has a more critical reception to things in the game. I agree 100% that the OP way overstates problems with the game and plays fast and loose with what are factual or not, but if you look past that you can see some valid thoughts and opinions that shouldn't be shut down because he goes to the extreme.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

And here are people who are stating the OPs opinions aren't valid like you are accusing me of saying of Mr. Happy's viewers, which I am not saying. I am just saying there is a certain point of view you will get from his video comments as the more dedicated and positive part of the fanbase are going to be his viewers just like if you go to reddit you will find the more positive part of the fanbase and the official forums has the more negative part of the fanbase.

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I didnt accuse you of anything, I asked you a question; Clarification based on what you said and how it reads.
People need to stop getting defensive lol.
But, they are entitled to that point of view. Just like OP and his supporters.

Sorry, it's easy to imply tone on the internet. I agree, everyone is entitled to an opinion but at the same time when people on both sides are bashing each other or exaggerating opinions to be facts it takes away from a good discourse we could be having.

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If OP was as correct as he seems to think he is, then EW would be universally reviled.

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Given that

It was so sold out that Square had to cease sales
It has received massively good reviews everywhere
The forums are a tiny scant fraction of a percentage of the entire playerbase
That Aveyond has NOT ONCE replied to anyone calling him out
That the game continues to grow

..Id say that Aveyond's claims of "everyone hating the game" resembles the truth in the same way a steaming pile of fwe resembles a gourmet meal