Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Multiply your old max Full Thrust by 1.09 and you get your new highest hit :)



Yeah, I'm kind of used to just saving everything for bursts, like it was in patch 2.0/2.1. I got used to it like that. I was also Raid Leader back then - I had to simplify and min/max my rotation so I could put out damage and still manage my raid whilst avoiding AOE's.

But if you want to maximise your DPS, then yes, you're absolutely 100% correct with that new Jump Rotation.

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yeah man this new patch is awesome, cant wait to go into coil tonight and maybe get more drops :), saw a BFB FT crit for 2.1k without LS lol imagine if i used pots as well lol

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Also, I'm considering just saving Life Surge for BFB. Yeah sure, it's a DPS increase to just use it off the bat now at every Full Thrust, but nothing lines up. It doesn't even line-up with Full Thrust correctly either.

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For the i110 stuff, it never really did. The issue at 60 seconds was that if you used it for any old Full Thrust (instead of holding it for BfB) and had much of any skill speed, the GCD rotation noticeably would get back to Full Thrust before Life Surge was off cooldown sooner or later.

I love these buffs, though they come too little too late I am now far too heavily invested in poetics toward my ninja to switch back without putting myself seriously behind. ;[

That said, when y'all start hit up FCoB with your fancy new drgs lets see those parses. :D

Any console players noticed the difference in target lock?

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Originally Posted by SolarMisae

I love these buffs, though they come too little too late I am now far too heavily invested in poetics toward my ninja to switch back without putting myself seriously behind. ;[

That said, when y'all start hit up FCoB with your fancy new drgs lets see those parses. :D

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Yea, I'm not switching back either, I have been waiting for nin for far too long and it quite simply, for me, is more fun than drg.

That being said, why not collect FCOB gear for drg until it gets caught up to your nin and switch back?

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Originally Posted by Noxotic

After some brief testing, life surge doesn't line up as cleanly with blood for blood as before, 20+ seconds of waiting at 341 skillspeed, so popping it on full thrust seems to make more sense.

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Leveling my Ninja made me appreciate skill speed again and more and more fights seem to favor skill speed now as the ilvl and natural damage goes up. I'm 449 skill speed and I find that if I pop my B4B during my Chaos Thrust combo, the time I have to wait to pair B4B and LS again is either perfect or maybe 4-5 seconds off before B4B is up again. Haven't really tested this but something I notice while light farming Garuda HM today.

Still at i112 right now and I'm hitting more often at 1700s with a full buff FT. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/6756180/

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Originally Posted by SolarMisae

I love these buffs, though they come too little too late I am now far too heavily invested in poetics toward my ninja to switch back without putting myself seriously behind. ;[

That said, when y'all start hit up FCoB with your fancy new drgs lets see those parses. :D

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Ha. I feel your pain. I was torn between poetics for my ninja or dragoon but ended up doing my goon since it would make light farming easier and is still my main. I was gonna split the two first by getting both chest and legs for them but ended up investing into my drag once I started noticing the extra damage.

i122 with dread wep and no crafted gear

sustained 577 dps for over 8 mins http://imgur.com/qr1vaKl this is with a few mistakes getting used to life surge timing. i130 with more practice could sustain 600 i believe. Still alot below monk of course by ~30 dps.

3 min parses vary from 580-620 depending on crit rng.

Nice buffs for DRG mains. I believe a MNK still holds the first melee spot due to better dps and dragonkick debuff. So the second melee spot in an optimal set-up is a toss up between NIN/DRG. The competition is even closer now with NIN needing tp after ~4.5 mins so the bard will need to sing peaen on long fights regardless of goad.

So let me get this straight. How should Life Surge be used now? On cooldown (Full thrust obviously) or aligned with something else?

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Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven

So let me get this straight. How should Life Surge be used now? On cooldown (Full thrust obviously) or aligned with something else?

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After some test runs (depending on your skillspeed), should be used on cool down unless b4b is less than 20 seconds away. It used to line up a lot nicer with blood for blood cause of the slightly longer cd, but I'll let the experts come up with a final answer instead of random preliminary testing. 1st two life surges are at the same time as b4b, 3rd and 4th off gcd, 5th and 6th same tI'm as b4b, but that's at 341 skill speed, and I haven't done it longer than that, and I don't know if it's optimized either.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

1) ...Heavy Thrust from the Flank still to have increased DPS.

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Unless something isn't working as advertised...


Heavy Thrust: Weapon skill direction requirements for the additional effect have been abolished.

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DERP! Still has the potency boost from flank. My mistake...I missed that.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Is what Heavy Thrust does now.

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Yeah...caught that after I took another look at it. Just the bonus 15% to damage lost the positional.