Dark Knight Megathread

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

You don't get a bonus hit, you get a refund of the mana spent on TBN that would have been spent on damage if it was any other tank.

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Thanks for adding the clarity to it. You're correct on it being a refund and the reason I was saying "bonus hit" is because with some jobs they give you that highlight around abilities when a proc occurs, which is telling the player to use the skill. In reality they are using it with DRK and TBN to help make sure the player cashes in on the refund, and the timing of the refund varies with how aggressive the monsters are in dealing damage to the player.

None of the other tanks have that kind of situation occur. They mostly are concerned with using procs when they need to in order to reduce incoming damage. With TBN a player can get punished for things outside of their own hands, like a mob getting stunned or deciding to use an AOE that is dodgeable. Since they changed this to "mitigation matters", it isn't advisable to stay in advertised AOEs even as a tank most of the time, though in Shadowbringers you could do that to help assure the proc triggered.

A minor but an already huge improvement would be allowing stacking Dark Arts, so at least saving up for burst windows would be more feasible. But of course then the already stupid amount of weaves during burst should be dialed back, which would call for a more indepth rework of the job anyway.

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

A minor but an already huge improvement would be allowing stacking Dark Arts, so at least saving up for burst windows would be more feasible. But of course then the already stupid amount of weaves during burst should be dialed back, which would call for a more indepth rework of the job anyway.

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I dont know, I don't really want DRK to invest even harder into the 2m burst.
Its already 40 seconds of 123 spam.

Bloodspiller will now be a 20s recast with 6 stacks, look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I know you're on a crusade against warrior but let's not make up some weird myth that warrior players somehow caused Dark Knight's 5.0 rework that just turned it into Warrior-but-worse.

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It's a genuine problem in need of push back.
Streamers steer community sentiment, and is what got us to where we are today.
War has historically cannibalised every single identity Drk ever had largely due to said streamers crying about Drk doing something remotely better than War.
The only times when they shut up is when Drk is inferior to War in every way like it is now.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

It's a genuine problem in need of push back.
Streamers steer community sentiment, and is what got us to where we are today.
War has historically cannibalised every single identity Drk ever had largely due to said streamers crying about Drk doing something remotely better than War.
The only times when they shut up is when Drk is inferior to War in every way like it is now.

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The problem with DRK is that it is the only tank that needs to use Hyper Potions to survive in level 80 dungeons like the Final Days of Amaurot when you have a scholar healer and people are still learning the game. Heck, even if they know the game well healing a DRK in Final Days of Amaurot is a nightmare.

1) The fact it has so much going on compared to other tanks, like having two different resources and a shit ton of cooldowns to manage, makes it way too easy to forget to do something in a rotation. I don't care about "oh, you're not good enough" from people doing savage because that is BS. Savage is a structured fight where you expect to die and drill in when to use each thing, so in that environment it could be the most complicated piece of garbage on earth and it will still work. But the point is what they design HAS TO WORK for people leveling up in the game and handling the jobs.

1b) The devs are balancing damage based on using all of the kit, so if the job is more complicated to run than the other tanks and therefore has to do more to do the same thing as a simpler to run tank, what is the point to it even existing?

2) The devs need to figure out what the direction they want to go is. It can't really exist in this half foot in garbage design with the delirium energy management + cooldowns + having to deal with MP management + dealing with on the spot decision making between Blackest Night and doing a flood or wave of darkness. Especially since it can't even keep itself up during any of this decision making during high pressure moments, because it lacks any immediate self heals that don't involve group pulls. Even in group pulls, healing oneself up once from hitting 7 targets is nothing compared to a warrior with Bloodwhetting just mitigating everything and also self healing while aoeing multiple times over.

It'd be hilarious if they like changed Shake to only be a personal buff, and removed Nascent Flash, and were just like 'yup WAR is a selfish job for selfish players glhf.'

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Originally Posted by mallleable

It'd be hilarious if they like changed Shake to only be a personal buff, and removed Nascent Flash, and were just like 'yup WAR is a selfish job for selfish players glhf.'

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Well, sure. That'd make sence to me, from a job fantasy and lore standpoint, though I know the devs just don't give a damn about jobs sticking to their thematic roots anymore. Shouldn't WAR be a selfish tank, that does big damage and life-steal? I think it should be. PLD and DRK are the ones with lore themed around protecting people.

What if Dark Arts also grant 100 potency healing on GCD attacks ? (or even on every enemy attacked ?)
That way, DRK would have self healing until they choose to consume it to refill Darkside.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

It'd be hilarious if they like changed Shake to only be a personal buff, and removed Nascent Flash, and were just like 'yup WAR is a selfish job for selfish players glhf.'

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Well honestly I think they're going to HAVE to nerf both WAR and PLD pretty heavily in the party sustain area, the big stink we had about TOP and P12S being cleared healerless as current content both have a commonality of swapping those healers over to extra PLDs and WARs.


Bad things will happen if we don't deal with this now and we keep powercreeping in this direction.

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Originally Posted by Jidka

What if Dark Arts also grant 100 potency healing on GCD attacks ? (or even on every enemy attacked ?)
That way, DRK would have self healing until they choose to consume it to refill Darkside.

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It would definately go a long way in helping DRK sustain itself, but a lot of DRK's sustain issues actually come into play in content that does JUST ENOUGH damage to be threatening but not enough to break TBN.

In which this would just make TBN not breaking feel even more shit. If we did what you suggested but also allowed the Dark Arts stack to always be given like the HoC healing, it be a very welcome change.