Character Creation Has A Race Problem

What on earth happened again with this thread, come on guys....I thought we fixed some issues by now.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Well, given that I'm female, I actually do because the bias is often forced into my face on a daily basis. Believe me, it's not something I enjoy seeing.



Whatever you say.

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With comments like that it just comes off as you feel discrimination is race and gender based. Granted at the very least going based off how you defined discrimination before. I am all for extra customization options, but no need to create a problem that does not exist.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

What on earth happened again with this thread, come on guys....I thought we fixed some issues by now.

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Nah, this thread was boinked from the beginning, there really wasn't anything TO fix.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

You have misunderstood me. I'm not saying FFXIV's afterlife has borrowed from Christianity, but in fact the opposite. The game is referencing it without any context. It's IRL iconography in-game which supposedly has "no place" there. You're also glossing over the direct mention of Taoism.

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Saying the opposite would be saying that Christianity borrowed from FFXIV’s afterlife. Considering that makes zero sense...

Referencing the afterlife in any form of media is referencing an archetype. As are all the other references you have tossed out (good versus evil; light versus dark; angels and demons, and devils and gods). Last I checked, there wasn’t a ban on borrowing common archetypes and using them in any form of media. That doesn’t make anything exclusive either.

All I was doing was pointing out how misinformed it is on your part to assume that all of the above described are inherent to Christianity. They’re so commonly found in other religions and cultures that they have evolved into literary archetypes.

By all means, show me proof how the Taoist glamour is representative of Taoism. If anything, it’s representative of a type of Chinese dress; not of the religion.

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The halo depicted is in line with the Western image of angels derived from Christianity. The one Buddha is often depicted with is quite different.

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They’re still all classified as halos. Christianity doesn’t have an exclusive claim on halos, just like it doesn’t have an exclusive claim on angels and demons; and the ones commonly found behind Jesus aren’t at all like the one depicted in the Angelic Attire glamour.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

What on earth happened again with this thread, come on guys....I thought we fixed some issues by now.

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It was fine for at least a little while until someone else came up and started crying about discrimination...

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Western media is consumed on a global scale. 1 in 5 people in the US are non-white. Up to half the population of major cities like London and New York are non-white, and in some cases white is no longer even the majority. Multi-culturalism is growing rapidly. "But there's more white people" is an incredibly old and weak excuse used to cover the heavy bias towards white people that still exists, despite there being no shortage of other races in the industry or in the audience.

No, it's not a case of apathy "because everything is racist/ sexist" lol. It's because while people are fine saying that slurs and harassment are wrong, they don't like having it pointed out to them that they have benefited from a system that excludes or discriminates against other ethnicities and become incredibly defensive. This thread is a perfect example.

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Have you glanced at any statistics lately? New York's white demographic is comprised of 70% while London is 60%. That remains a significant majority. Even by your own admission, 20% is a distinct minority, which only adds credence to my argument. When you have such enormous discrepancies like this, you will always get a majority leaning. Just because Western media is consumed on a global scale does not mean there will be equal representation across the board. It's statistically impossible without artificially influence because they simply have a smaller pool to pull from. Unfortunately, multi-culturalism isn't growing, at least not in North America, especially when we have nonsense like "cultural appropriation" because a sixteen year old American girl wore a Chinese dress to her prom.

Or people recognize it's not some oppressive boogyman holding them back. Stop blaming racism, sexism or whatever else for all your (generalizing) problems. This thread is an example of the bias SJW mentality trying to blame everything and everyone else. It couldn't possibly be SE simply having a poor character creation. No, no. They're unintentionally racist. What utter nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

What on earth happened again with this thread, come on guys....I thought we fixed some issues by now.

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This thread was never salvageable.Now it's just someone else captaining this sinking ship.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

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The opposite is it hasn't borrowed from it at all. There is no link or connection made. It's a lone IRL reference with no FFXIV connection stuck in the middle of the game.

That particular depiction of an angel and devil is derived from Christianity. I'd thought that a given, but pedantry is the theme today apparently.

Are you joking? Taoism is the name of the religion. It is called a Taoist shirt, even fashioned in a similar style to Taoism robes worn in real life. It's not a Hingan shirt. It's not a Doman shirt. It's a reference to a real life religion being put directly into the game without regard to "lore", which is, supposedly, bad.

But it's still derived from Western imagery taken from Christianity. That was the image they chose. There's also the matter of the feathery white wings and long robes. It's a Western, Christian-inspired depiction with no relation to the FFXIV canon.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

]This thread was never salvageable.Now it's just someone else captaining this sinking ship.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

]It was fine until someone else came up and started crying about discrimination...

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Originally Posted by Joven

Nah, this thread was boinked from the beginning, there really wasn't anything TO fix.

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I suppose I just had faith and higher hopes that the ship would start to reconstruct it's bow from sitting at the bottom of the Ruby Sea by now.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I don’t see it as an end all be all as much as a nice touch. When I was a kid playing Pokémon I imagined that my trainer looked like me. After a few games they let me play a female trainer. The more recent games now let me pick a skin tone close to my own. Neither of these were mandatory changes I needed, but they improved the overall experience for me.

I think people get too hung up on buzzwords instead of seeing more options for customization.

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Ironically enough, your Pokemon example is a case of what the OP and other people in this thread are arguing against.

http://i.imgur.com/PfIvOWQ.png

Don't you see they CLEARLY just substituted darker skin on characters with traditionally caucasian features, which is NOT ENOUGH and stands as evidence of the DISCRIMINATION that PoC have to endure every day!

:rolleyes: Is it any wonder people didn't take this thread seriously?

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I suppose I just had faith and higher hopes that the ship would start to reconstruct it's bow from sitting at the bottom of the Ruby Sea by now.

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The only way that would be possible is if the OP creates a new post about the topic without the clickbait title designed to create outrage.

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Originally Posted by Joven

The only way that would be possible is if the OP creates a new post about the topic without the clickbait title designed to create outrage.

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Or people grow up a bit, ignore the silly little race war that a few people were bickering over, and discuss the topic at hand. However, this being the OF, you're probably correct.