#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

[*]Over simplified DPS rotation
Every job in FFXIV has a 'filler GCD' skill that they press when there are no other requirements... etc
Ever asked why that is the case?
Small clue: People play with a controller. Do a full rotation on a controller while keeping the heals and target swapping in check.
DPS and Tanks dont need to worry about being on a controller and the rotation can be more or less complicated, you can macro the small bits but 99% of the fight you only target one thing: THE ENEMY.

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As someone who has always played on controller, I still want a healer who has a hyper aggressive play style. That is my preferred play style: a healer that juggles offense and healing in tandem. Not every healer needs to play this way, but I would appreciate having just one. Thank you

Okay, want me to run a dungeon with you as WAR or PLD and replace you then Sham? Dw, you can be the healer and have nothing to do...in fact, I have even done the MT gulg pull without a healer lel, the Chad pull as you put it.

I will literally give you the evidence you need on a golden platter, so let's do a dungeon together. =]

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

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Point 1- there are also healer strength heals on DNC, MNK and 2 on SMN, that’s what half the non healer jobs at this point. Starry muse having a heal is literal pointless fluff that exists for no reason at all but erodes our role. I challenge anyone to justify why starry muse has a heal, it relates to nothing about PCT’s gameplay Tanks don’t “help” us they replace our role with their strength

Point 2- you are seriously infantilising controller players here. I play across both and I genuinely find healing easier on control because it has soft targeting capacity than MKB doesn’t have, cross hotbars also are more fluid access more buttons

Point 3- barrier healers aren’t any harder than pure healers because you don’t play them around barriers, they are just regen healers, the regen healers are pure healers, neither is sufficiently diversified from each other and they all have the same DPS rotation

Point 4-in TOP you barely use half your oGCD’s and most of the time you still have 40-60% overheal, the top end isn’t challenging our kit either and our GCD heals are rotting away

Point 5- as has been discussed ad nauseum a roles entire purpose in 95% of the games content shouldn’t amount to “yeah but what if the tank is absolute garbage”

The crazy thing is, dps and tank jobs never needed to have all those party heals and shields to have fun. Viper was tested by several media tour visitors and pretty much all of them said it was very fun to play. The job only has two melee role skills for self healing and it can't save others, but that was not an issue to any of the testers.

It literally wouldn't hurt anyone's enjoyment if healing skills were limited to healers, because other jobs already get their enjoyment from doing their primary role.

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

You are burned out of the game or healing, trying something else.

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Oh, okay lemme just grab this...

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Originally Posted by Bellsong

This is a novel idea, Just DON'T play healer! I think someone should make a thread about it and try to get others on board with that idea, so SE might take notice of less healers playing and consider feedback, maybe add a nice catchy hashtag to get people feeling it, maybe a discord to build some sense of comradery about it? I really wish some people would do that...

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The crazy thing is, dps and tank jobs never needed to have all those party heals and shields to have fun. Viper was tested by several media tour visitors and pretty much all of them said it was very fun to play. The job only has two melee role skills for self healing and it can't save others, but that was not an issue to any of the testers.

It literally wouldn't hurt anyone's enjoyment if healing skills were limited to healers, because other jobs already get their enjoyment from doing their primary role.

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I still think it's okay for a handful to have heals. Dancer having Curing Waltz isn't bad, RDM having Vercure isn't bad, it's when there's enough heals from non-healers and low enough incoming damage that it becomes a problem.

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

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Okay so in order:

You've literally listed 3/4 tanks being problematic, I have no idea how this is a counter argument.

Target swapping has nothing to do with a damage rotation, it's all just targeting the boss, it's literally oGCD heals that have you swap between allies and enemies rapidly, Dia being a 15s DoT or PoM being a 60s CD is irrelevant. In fact "but the controller players" directly conflicts with oGCDs being so abundant, surely you should be supporting a consolidation here so there's less target swapping.

Mentor roulette is just a hilarious example of intensive healing. A solid portion of the playerbase does not even have access to it so no, I haven't actually tried Mentor roulette, I physically cannot because I'm not a mentor.

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

[*]Excessive oGCD heals.
These are not only abundant, but exceptionally powerful.. etc
You should be thankful that those abilities are so many, expecially for casual play. Its casual content, it should be relaxed and easy to tackle, for those that seek higher challenges, there are modes that provvide said challenges, where you plan stuff ahead instead of "yolo". Do those.

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The oGCD heals are only a concern because you're expected to continue your 1-2 button rotation while weaving oGCD heals.

And while the weaving can actually be fun, it just adds to the monotony of an extremely basic DPS rotation. oGCD heals also take away from the rest of your healing kit. Outside of hard content you rarely, if ever, use GCD heals since it takes away from DPS - to the point I don't even cast regen anymore because it's one less DPS action and it's not needed.

All that's being asked is a slightly more involved DPS rotation (while also requiring healers to heal). For WHM particularly having to intentionally dump lilies intended for healing because they're not needed, due to oGCD heals, just to squeeze out DPS makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

[*]Self-sustain and healing abilities given to other roles.
[*]Excessive oGCD heals.
These are not only abundant, but exceptionally powerful.. etc
You should be thankful that those abilities are so many, expecially for casual play. Its casual content, it should be relaxed and easy to tackle, for those that seek higher challenges, there are modes that provvide said challenges, where you plan stuff ahead instead of "yolo". Do those.

[*]Lack of engaging content outside the most difficult duties (Savage/Ultimate). i.e. the threat level is too low.
Healers should feel like they have a place in all forms of content... etc

The big pulls at Bardam's or Holminster's, the absolute chad pull on Mt. Gulg.

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Yeah, no, mentor roulette and Savage absolutely do not provide that challenge. There's so many oGCDs I just keep hitting Glare and basically ignore damage, occasionally smacking a button between Glaring. It takes absolutely zero brain power. Also I appreciate you listed a whole three dungeons out of dozens. Woo. Three times healers get to have an okay-ish healing experience, like those pulls aren't ALSO dirt easy after the min ilvl, first time run through for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The crazy thing is, dps and tank jobs never needed to have all those party heals and shields to have fun. Viper was tested by several media tour visitors and pretty much all of them said it was very fun to play. The job only has two melee role skills for self healing and it can't save others, but that was not an issue to any of the testers.

It literally wouldn't hurt anyone's enjoyment if healing skills were limited to healers, because other jobs already get their enjoyment from doing their primary role.

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As much as I am on board you can't ask for healing to be made harder, more outgoing damage to be consistent, whilst also stripping away every other jobs self-healing buttons. Tanks should be stripped back to a degree, especially WAR, but taking away a melee DPS bloodbath + second wind for example, and leaving them with nothing will simply make them resent poor healer players. I've been in those dungeons where some healing is required, and by newer or bad healers, they are unable to keep up and the dungeon comes to a complete crawl and it takes 25-30mins to clear.

Giving DPS and tanks a few self-healing abilities is fine, it means in casual content they're able to slightly mitigate a poor healer and keep themselves up for a short period of time before (increased as we asked) outgoing damage would kill them. In higher end content those buttons do not really change anything anyway, but if damage were to be made stronger and harder in casual content, then you have to give them some small ability to self-heal otherwise the party is a house of cards built on the healers skill.

Which IIRC, was an issue with HW/SB era of healers were the divide between good and bad healers was enormous and SE wanted to bridge the gap so people weren't essentially punished by their awful healer.